Tell Me Where You Stand On These Classic Boxing Controversies

These are all great questions:

1) I don't think Ali was involved in any fix, but I do think Liston took a dive, probably as a way of paying money back to the mob.

2) I'm a big, big Hagler fan, but really, I can't argue with the fight going to Leonard. It was very close. Hagler was foolish to agree to fight at 156 and to fight in a huge ring.

3) Have to go with the ref's decision. His job is to protect the fighter, not to watch the clock.

4) I believe Pryor cheated. No proof. But his trainer asked for a special bottle, and Pryor came to life in the next round. Pryor did handily win the rematch though.

 

#1 It fits the description of a fix. I say yes.
#2 Hagler just barely. He looked terrible but Ray didn't do enough and lost a couple too many close rounds.
#3 No the fight should not have been stopped. The ref was competent and probably crooked.
#4 I am suspicious of what was in that bottle. Lewis' own words-"the one that I mixed" and the way Aaron came out like dynamite for the 14th like it was the first round. I say yes he definitely cheated.

 

hagler weighed in at 156? I thought he came in at around 158 for Leonard.

 

1. Was Ali vs Liston II a fix, was the KO blow legit?

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2. SRL vs Marvin Hagler- Who won?

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3. Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez- Should the fight have been stopped?

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4. Arron Pryor vs Arguello I- Did Pryor cheat?

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1. Tend to believe it was a legit punch, combined with Liston simply not wanting to, or not having the "heart" to, continue.

2. Ray Leonard, in a close fight. You don't win a fight by simply coming forward, unless your effective. I've never awarded fighters for INEFFECTIVE aggression, and I won't start now. Hagler came forward, threw, and MISSED (mostly BECAUSE of Ray). To me, that gives not only defence but also ring generalship to Ray... And Hagler gave away nearly all of the first 4 or 5 rounds (maybe with one even).

3. Never liked it, never will. I blame not only the beating of Chavez, but also the mental beating by Steele, on the downfall of Taylor. I say bad stoppage.

4. As many have said, not enough proof, but Lewis is a **** and probably did do something wrong.

Anything to take away from Ray's win, right?

 

No. Look more closely at Caballo's post. it mentions Hagler at 156. I thought I heard on the tape that he was 158.

 

yeah..pryor had super water..a mix of water and super man vitamins...yeah...thats why he whooped his ass worse the second fight...righttttt. What the **** could be in the water for him to cheat.

 

Great Threasd!

1. No, it was not a fix. Liston was just tired of gangsters taking all of his money, and wanted to whow them their meal ticket was up.

2. You can see it eitehr way. SRL landed more punches, so as much as I hate to admit it, it was a legit win. It woul dhave helped had Marvelous no slept through the first four rounds.

3. Similar situation- either way is right. The ref is not a time keeper, and if theref asks for a response and does not get one, then the TKO has occurred. That being said, one would wish that a man with steel's experience would have had a little more ring presence and let Mel get his victory.

4. Pryor was coked to the gills, if thats what you mean.

 

1. Was Ali vs Liston II a fix, was the KO blow legit?

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2. SRL vs Marvin Hagler- Who won?

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3. Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez- Should the fight have been stopped?

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4. Arron Pryor vs Arguello I- Did Pryor cheat?

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Rumor is that it was peppermint schnopps.

 

Ike Williams-Beau Jack

 

For all you claiming bad stoppages in the Taylor fight, what is the only thing that you have to do when you get up after a knockdown?

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Meldrick didnt respond man, its nobodies fault but his own, period.

Liston just didnt want anymore from Clay.

Hagler.

Yes, Pryor had something besides water which is against the rules.

 

Liston may have just quit. Liston was in great shape when the rematch was originally scheduled, but after Ali's hernia, he didn't train hard and looked terrible leading up to the fight in Maine.

I scored it for Hagler, but I don't have much of a problem with Leonard winning the fight. What was dispicable was Guerra having it 118-110 for Leonard.

Steele could've let it go on, but Taylor didn't really respond with more than a half nod. Chavez wasn't in the neutral corner so Steele could've told Chavez to go back to the corner as refs often do.

I blame Duva for getting on the ring apron, which seemed to distract Meldrick as Steele was asking him questions.

Don't know.

Panama Lewis is on camera saying "the one that I mixed".

It's hard to give a fighter the benefit of the doubt in a situation like this when the mixed drink is from a scumbag like Panama (who should've been shot years ago).

 

1. Was Ali vs Liston II a fix, was the KO blow legit?

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2. SRL vs Marvin Hagler- Who won?

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3. Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez- Should the fight have been stopped?

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4. Arron Pryor vs Arguello I- Did Pryor cheat?

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