ten greatest middleweights

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  1. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the thread about bobo olson made me curious. bobo was definitely not a better fighter then srr (not to much success in the 4 fight series), but as a middleweight champion, he was pretty darn good himself and did alot of very good things in the middleweight division. one of the ten greatest middleweights? im very curious:think

    the top of the list would probably be that three way virtual lock of hopkins, hagler and monzon. then im guessing robinson, ketchel, ceradan, zale and lamotta (in random order).

    what ten fighters did the most in the middleweight division?
     
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  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You could argue Hopkins outside of the top 10. Bobo doesn't even sniff it. The depth in the division is astounding.
     
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  3. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    If thats the criteria it hurts Greb, Hopkins, Jones Jr, Fitzsimmons, Toney a great deal in their rankings. Also are we not looking at dominance and losses? Many see a resume with lots of great names and ignore the fact the fighter wasn't as dominant as others with lesser resumes but performed better against the best
     
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  4. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh geese I couldn't put Bobo near a top ten. Also you would take Hopkins in your top three and ten instead of Greb? I've begrudginly had to admit Hopkins may deserve a top ten place and Jake just making it also. Zale is also deserving and probably just outside the top ten.
     
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  5. D.T

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    Hopkins
    Hagler
    Robinson
    Monzon
    Greb
    Flowers
    Fitzsimmons
    Walker
    Ketchel
    Steele


    Honorable Mentions:
    Cerdan
    Tiger
    LaMotta
    Burley
    Charles
    Langford
    Zale
     
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  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In chronological order, the bold ones are the ones I think could top the list:

    Dempsey
    Fitzsimmons
    Ryan
    Ketchel
    Greb
    Steele
    Robinson
    Tiger
    Monzon
    Hagler
    Hopkins
     
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  7. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    excellent points, my idea of this thread was not to find the better fighters, but to find the fighters that made the most accoplishments in the division. in your eyes of course. if you like longevity over quality wins or quality performances over number of titles... its all up to you.
     
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  8. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Duran
     
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  9. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    lamotta did beat once to the best man of your first list, and their fights were pretty close. he might beat many men of your first list.
     
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  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For me (No Order):

    Robinson
    Greb
    Hagler
    Hopkins
    Fitz
    Burley
    Kid McCoy
    Monzon
    LaMotta
    Ketchel
     
    Vic-JofreBRASIL, Dec 25, 2010
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  11. Rasch

    Rasch Guest

    Does Bert Gilroy get onto top 10's here or is that just on boxrec and CBZ?
     
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  12. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gilroy doesn't make any top 10's, he's a forgotten and overlooked fighter.
    He is defo a Brit top 10 and arguably Britain's greatest middleweight.

    One thing is for sure, he fought more light-heavies & heavyweights (they were the only fights he could get), than any of his contemporaries and he is fit for any middleweight in history.

    He should have got his shot at McAvoy 1939-41, and then it would have been the yanks Zale and co.
    How would they have faired against the big men Gilroy fought, this is a good measure of Gilroy; the MIDDLEWEIGHT.
     
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  13. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hagler
    Monzon
    Robinson
    Jones Jr.
    LaMotta
    Ketchel
    Fitzsimmons
    Tiger
    Greb
    Zale
     
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  14. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    01. Sugar Ray Robinson
    02. Marvellous Marvin Hagler
    03. Carlos Monzon
    04. Harry Greb
    05. Jake LaMotta
    06. Charley Burley
    07. Randolph Turpin
    08. Marcel Cerdan
    09. Bernard Hopkins
    10. Bob Fitzsimmons
     
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  15. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    In no order i guess it would be:

    Monzon
    Hagler
    Robinson
    Bhop
    Greb
    Jones Jr
    LaMotta
    Fitz
    Turpin
    Ketchel


    If this were H2H no doubt the list would look much different .
     
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