ten greatest middleweights

I'd favor him over Lamotta, narrowly over Hopkins, by KO over Jones, by Decision over Benvenutti, by decision over Cerdan, and by decision over Leonard.

Robinson is a very close call, which Ray himself knew. Hagler is an either-way type of fight as well, maybe a slight edge to Marvelous at his best. Fitzsimmons and Greb are impossible calls, the way I see it. The only one I'd conclusively favor over him would be Monzon, really.

Archie Moore was better at a class with a lesser quality of opposition, that is true. Not saying he was necessarily in his full prime at Middle, but he was already well proven to be capable of mixing it up with the elites of the division, and if anything was in his physical prime when Burley waxed him.

 

Even alowing for the fact that much of their work was in other weight classes the middleweight resumes of Greb, Hopkins and Fitzsimmons stack up prety well against anybody.

 

you must be joking...

 

Which part would I be joking about? Actually, first answer this: What do you know about Burley?

 

Burley was a really really good fighter; there's a reason nobody with a name wanted a piece of him, he made clowns out of a lot of fighters and some of the best guys of his time: robinson, conn, lamotta, cerdan...

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easy to see why, he has a very difficult style to deal with, calm and collected ring generalship, and great physical attributes. Eddie Futch called him the best fighter he ever saw all around. High praise for a guy that was never allowed a real shot at the big time.

 

good chin, he never was ko during all his career.he did beat guys like zivic(he lost too against zivic), he did beat the middle weight version of archie moore, he lost against a green charles.in his prime he lost against fighter like marshall or williams(twice), or dolan. whe was a good fighter but no ****ing way he would beat monzón,robinson, hagler,jones,lamotta, leonard,hopkins,greb,,simmons

 

I would favor Burley to win a wide decision over LaMotta, probably even wider than the one Lloyd Marshall copped over him. Clear decisions over Hopkins and Benvenuti.

A five-bout series with Robinson would probably result in five different results. Too hard to call.

Ray Leonard was a great welter, not a great middle(beating a badly faded Hagler does not a great middle make, imo). Burley by a wide margin. Possibly late rounds tko.

Greb by decision. His workrate was too exhausting for just about everyone.

Burley knocks Jones out.

Burley outspeeds, frustrates and decisions Monzon.

 

Lloyd Marshall and Holman Williams were not "average". Not by a long shot.

In fact Marshall BEAT Jake LaMotta. And an old, washed up Holman Williams gave him a heck of a fight.

Just something to think about

 

it prove absolutely nothing , every fight is different and styles make fights, lamotta did beat robinson,janiro, cerdan,hollman williams(who did beat marshall and burley),lamotta did beat zivic tons of times.
and monzon would **** on the face of burley, simple.

 

:huh

I don't see how this is a foregone conclusion, the styles strongly favor burley's mobility. The only thing Monzon really has over Burley is size and arguably power. And Burley challenged guys much bigger than him with regularity.

 

But remember that Zivic also BEAT LaMotta. Two of his losses to Jake were by split decision and could have conceivably gone to Zivic in at least one instance.

Burley lost a close decision to Zivic and then completely dominated him in two subsequent rematches, nothing close about them. In fact Zivic bought out Burley's contract so he wouldn't have to face him again. Clearly he feared Burley moreso than he feared LaMotta, whom he was always anxious to fight.

You can't disparage a relatively green Burley getting edged by a prime Fritzie Zivic(while neglecting to mention that he HANDILY beat Fritz in rematches) and then credit LaMotta for NARROWLY beating a blown-up, past peak Zivic who also BEAT Jake.

And the Williams that Burley knocked out was a prime Williams. So was the Williams that he decisioned and lost to. The Williams that LaMotta struggled with was way past his best. This is not my opinion, this is fact. Look at the records and where they were at in their respective careers at the time these bouts took place.

 

when hell burley did face a middle even almost in the class of escopeta(at mw) ?who is top 2 mw ever if not the best . carlos was bigger,stronger,harder puncher, he had good speed, good jab,great right hand,he had good mobility, he was versatile,he had good stamina, good chin he could adapt his style to many other styles.

 

And Monzon never fought any top 10 middle in his class either, buddy? Most of Monzon's best straps are guys from lower weight classes too, so that point is flat. Burley had the opportunity to fight two three arguable 10 mw's- Robinson, Cerdan and LaMotta- but neither guy wanted ANY piece of him. That should tell you something by itself. Despite starting at a lower weight Burley had no issues challenging LHWs and beat some of them down with ease

you're clearly underselling burley and the entire murderers row, please watch available footage of their performances and styles and then chime in again

 

any way lamotta did beat zivic more times than vice versa(zivic was still good when he faced lamotta and it is a fact , lamotta would beat a peak zivic as well), and like i said, it prove nothing, every fight was different.and every fighter too. i like lamotta with his pressure style to beat burley.

 

By the way, I liked your perro de Presa Canario avatar better :good