Tennis: Players Records Vs. Top 10 at Slams ...

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Jim Courier was a decent player. World number one during the early 90's. Great on the hard courts and clay, but not on grass. A bit like Lendl in that regard, as he was another who could never win Wimbledon.

    Andy Murray will win a grandslam title. He's maybe not where Nadal was at 20 years of age, but he'll get there. When on his game, he'll get give anyone a run for their money. Federer included.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    I'm waiting yet as Fed still has a lot ahead of him. I can't see how Fed won't finish 1 tho TBH. He's truly one of a kind. Right now i'd still have Fed 1 i think.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    Murray and that other guy whose name escapes me will be interesting this year.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Courier was tough for a time for sure. Moya too.
     
  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Federer never slams his racket down. He keeps his nerve and temper well in check. Not much emotion shown whille losing a match or in front. And watch him during the final set of 5 setter, he's maybe sweating buckets, but not gasping for breath.
     
  6. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Exactly right. Djokovic has much more across all surfaces and will be Fed's main rival this year onwards I feel. Nadal's only ace surface is clay and he's very overrated on hardcourt, even though he's very good on grass when on it there are more than a few who can match him there (first week of Wimbledon last year he was vunerable at times). :yep
     
  7. sthomas

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    Call me old fashioned but I think to be the GOAT you have to win on all surfaces. No matter how brilliant Sampras and Federor are, the French Open is keeping them from the absolute top. Federor still has a chance but competing @ the same time as Nadal will make it tough. Agassi is slightly underrated IMO as he won all the slams, and won a lot of slams. If he was is dedicated when he was young as when he was old, he could have been the greatest. That leaves me with Laver. 2 grand slam years!!!!!!! He's my ATG. I don't know enough about the old-timers to comment on them
     
  8. Holmes' Jab

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    Yep. I reckon Murray will step up to the plate this year, off the back of his victory at the Qatar Open. His performances from the get-go in that tournament were very good, especially from the quarter finals onwards. On his very best days he can beat anybody, his shotmaking is top notch and his serving and stamina have markedly improved (same goes with much of the top 20)

    The guy has far more overall than Henman ever did. Providing he has an (relatively) injury free year he'll break into the Top 6 sooner or later I think.
     
  9. Holmes' Jab

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    I'd give the edge to the present era in terms of depth, no doubt. Sampras' may have had the big name guys you mentioned but it must be said that Becker was begining to fade by the time Pete was hitting his absolute best, Lendl was more or less totally finished at the top level- nowhere near his 80's pomp. Edberg was still a biggish force for a few years I suppose.

    However Agassi was more or less the main major threat to Pete for the long haul across all surfaces (even with the alarming brief blip period he had). Other than that there was the likes of Stich, Ivanisivic, Rafter, Phillipousis, Courier and Krajeck. Most of whom were either very fine players on their day, but either had short lived primes, were chokers on the very biggest stage or were too inconsistent to threaten in the very later stages of Grand Slams on a really consistent basis.

    Guys like Djokovic, Nadal, Roddick, Davydenko, Murray and Ferrer amongst others all have more overall ability than say Pioline, Korda, Kafelnikov and Martin. I do think Goran and Rafter on their best form would give any of the current Top 10 a serious run for their money. Maybe the Stich of '91 as well.
     
  10. Holmes' Jab

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    The guy's a great of the game no question (along with Rosewall and Emerson in that regard), though despite me including Laver towards the very top given his 'Slams' record I overall regard the Open era onwards as being a definitel step up in standard and depth compared to what went before.

    I suppose that's natural given the technological and other changes in the sport, but still there ain't too many from my list I could see the aforementioned guys beating regularly given the same circumstances. :good
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    It seems to me that while Federer is head and shoulders ahead of the pack, a few players could cause him problems in 2008. Djokovic beat him in Montreal, and if I'm not mistaken some guy came out of nowhere and beat him in Madrid and Paris, I believe it was Nalbandian, this is in edition to Nadal, who seems to slightly better than him on clay. But realistically, these players are all fighting for second place.
     
  12. Holmes' Jab

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    Yeah, Novak is definitely his biggest threat. It's funny that I'd forgot to mention Nal: that's indeed correct he did beat Roger (who admitedly was a bit out of sorts) a few times at the tail end of last year. He's definitely a threat when iN tip-top form, the same applies to Gonzalez.
     
  13. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    interesting. How do you seperate Connors/McEnroe/Agassi from each other and how do you decide who is the best between them?
     
  14. Holmes' Jab

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    It's mighty hard to gauge who's the best out of those three guy's, they're all pretty much neck and neck in terms of ability and achivements. I suppose it depends on what criteria you use and this differs from person to person.

    I suppose I'd give Mac the slight edge given his fantastic record at the two biggies Wimbledon and the US Open (where he won three and four titles respectively).

    Connors held the all-time record for consecutive weeks as World #1 until Fed broke it as well as taking two Wimbeldon titles and quite a number of US Open victories.

    Agassi may have totalled more GS singles titles but only won once at Wimbledon which despite grass not being his ace surface falls a hairs breadth short of the other two. In his defence he did reach countless US Open finals but only won a few (due to Sampras being the sole obstacle in his way more often than not).

    Borg is ahead these three given his five consecutive Wimbeldon titles (on his least natural surface and the fact that he was one of the finest claycourters ever. Becker is just below McEnroe/Connors/Agassi but was perhaps as good a player at his peak. He reached seven Wimbledon finals winning three, but won less GS titles was weak on clay and had less longevity overall.

    Difficult decisions to make but that's my reasoning. What d'ya reckon yourself? What would your list look like etc?
     
  15. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    1. Federer
    2. Borg
    3. Sampras
    4. Laver
    5. Agassi
    6. McEnroe
    7. Connors
    8. Emerson
    9. Lendl
    10. Edberg

    something like that