Sorry but Taylor at 5'10 having 3 "top 10 wins" at 140 isn't proving anything at all in my eyes. Crawford got no credit for becoming undisputed at 140 I for sure as hell am not about to give josh taylor credit for his body of work. He's as unproven as anyone
who didnt give crawford credit? most did mate, dont be touchy. hes done well at 147lbs, but he beat some good fighters at 140lbs but some werent as good as first before, and 140lbs is more healthy now. but everyone gives that man credit. or atleast 80%. Taylor is seasoned, nasty and dangerous. lopez may struggle with that. 5'10? hes a big lww, not out of shape or drained. you get 5'6 middleweights mate, make a decent point before you pick at someones height. lol
What decent points have you made? Your saying Taylor is more proven because he's been in "harder fights" with "men his size" whatever that means and considering you took exception to me pointing out Taylor is 5'10 while Lopez is 5'7 yet they are separated by 1 division somehow in your mind Lopez is the same size as Taylor. Fine. I don't get where your going with that but whatever. To make this short I don't see the talent you are seeing and I expect he will be exposed as a B level fighter sooner or later. Feel free to reference this post if I'm proven wrong
I think he beats Ramirez and Lopez. Or at least one. You haven't made a good point either, your just throwing out generic words and not looking how the fight could go - without a breakdown. What you think isn't right, it's probably far from it, I haven't said Taylor takes on the best at we but you were so offended by a 5'10 light welter. For me Taylor is more proven than lopez. Opinions differ but you aren't good at debating. Lopez beat a smaller man,he hasn't shown he can bear a bigger man. So what is your point.
Your right I'm not a good debater. I still am confident I know talent when I see it and personally I know I've been right more often than I've been wrong including when a better debater on this site disagrees with me My entire point was that I don't see elite level physical talent from Taylor, nor do I see extraordinary skills. Those are not statements I can factually prove one way or the other it's an opinion. You on the other hand are claiming Taylor has proven more than Lopez, something that I feel their respective resumes do not conclude. Your trying to make Taylors accomplishments mean more because he "beat men his size". An argument I don't subscribe to or accept because I feel Taylor could conformably fight at 147. You will never convince me Taylor had proven he's am elite talent or fighter so we just have to agree to disagree.
It's gonna be a tough fight for both of them. Teo is very confident now after he beat Loma but he's smaller than Josh. I think that Josh will beat Teofimo if they meet.
I like Taylor, Rougarou and JCR and I've defended the later numerous times when others have said he's not on the same level as the other two or would be an easy nights work for them. I've never thought that but I have revised my opinion somewhat after the Postol fight because I though the Ukrainian beat him and many feel that he also lost to Zepeda as well so if not for good fortune he could easily have two Ls on his record, one of which to a fighter who Taylor beat in just his 13th fight and who is still to this day Crawford's best win in 37 outings. So going into the Postol fight Taylor was only 12-0, had only fought one world class fighter before (a past prime Miguel Vazquez), had fought zero world title fights, had never been past 9 rounds, and was giving away 4'' in reach - and obviously Postol knows how to use his reach and keep it at range very well. JCR was 25-0 when he fought Postol, was taking part in his 4th world title fight, had been 10 or more rounds four times - including the full 12 round distance x 3, had fought 3 or 4 world class opponents, and was only giving away 1'' in reach. Crawford was 28-0 when he fought Postol, was taking part in his 7th world title fight, had fought six or seven world class opponents, had been 10 or more rounds four times - including going the full 12 x 2, and he had a slight reach advantage over him. Also, even though Crawford had a 5lb weight advantage over Postol and weighed more down at 135 against Gamboa than career 140 Taylor does on fight night, he stunk out the joint against him and obviously he was badly hurt by the aforementioned Cuban leprechaun Gamboa even though he had 7lbs in weight and 9'' in reach on him. Imagine what would've happened if that was a right hand from a genuine banger at 135 as opposed to blown up 126 pounder Gamboa who has only stopped two of his 12 opponents at that weight one of whom was shot. He would've been out on his back. Also I've seen JCR hit the deck both in the amateurs and pros whereas I never seen Taylor close to doing so and he's fought more than his fair share of legit bangers in just 17 fights. Lopez is supremely physically gifted and huge for the weight so it's not like he's going to be outsized when he eventually moves up in weight. That being said, I suspect he's packing some glass in that chin of his and that when he steps up and starts facing world class opposition his own size who can bang a bit it's going to be exposed because we've seen him get dropped like a sack of potatoes in the gym when the shoe was on the other foot and he was in against a fighter who had the weight advantage on him, and Luke Campbell dropped him in the gym and Carlos Balderas came close to doing so too, not to mention the much naturally smaller blown up 126 pounder Loma hurt him too when he started to let his hands go. And we all saw what happened when he fought that Japanese fisherman that no one even in the coastal regions of Japan had ever heard of before. He went life and death against him, whereas, conversely, we've never seen Taylor close to hitting the deck either in sparring or in a real fight or go life and death against a fisherman even though he's fought more punchers than both Lopez, JCR and Crawford. Don't get me wrong, all these guys are excellent fighters and are capable of beating each other on their best nights but facts is as facts does and facts have been served.
The fight I'd love to see at 140 is Rougarou vs Lopez because I think there's a good chance the later might get stretched out on his back by the fearsome punching New Orleanian
Tank is 4ft 11 and would beat Taylor like he stole something. Skills, Talent and athleticism counts more than height.
That’s a sound breakdown. I can’t say there is lots to disagree with because I’ve seen signs of what you are talking about, Taylor disengages sometimes pulling back with chin up if he’s being pressured (vs Baranchyk round 1/2) However. It might be me but I think Taylor will take it to Ramirez more often than not, staying away from the ropes and try to keep it center of the ring. If Taylor does this I see it being an inside fight, and although Taylor operates fine at mid range I do believe Ramirez style might give him issues there. Ramirez all the way in, unless creating leverage with opponent against the ropes struggles inside, very left hand happy and smothers his work. Taylor’s creation of angles pivoting and short tight right hooks will subdue Ramirez enough, along with accurate body work. Ramirez really winds up the left to the body from mid range, I’m not sure he’ll get away with that up against Taylor’s counter right hook. It’ll be interesting for sure, can’t wait to watch
Prograis has hit his ceiling at 31.Teo is 23 and is improving with each fight. Yeah, he didn't look good against the Japanese fisherman. But he is not the only fighter that's looked bad before in the pro game. Kid is 23 and putting in work against elite comp not many his age do that. Let that sink in. Name me one 23 year old scaring the beezuz out of Loma? None! everything points this kid is the realness. Taylor will get it. Just wait, you will see. When will people realize what this kid doing is already top flight. Now, you can try to dumb it down. I understand the kid is a a threat and you feel threaten. The Take over is real and you will have to accept the truth.
Why come even though Taylor has fought more legit bangers than both Lopez, Crawfy, and JCR we've never seen him hit the deck but we've seen Lopez dropped like a sack of potatoes in sparring Dropped by Campbell in sparring too who FTR has sparred Taylor plenty Hurt by a blown up 126 pounder with one good shoulder And nearly dropped in sparring by Balderas Crawford badly hurt by a Cuban leprechaun JCR dropped in the amateurs with big gloves and headgear on Dropped by a E level Johnny Garcia in the pros Why come? Rougarou, Baranchyk, Khongsong and Davies are huge punchers at his weight not blown up 126 pounders and blown up 126 pounder Cuban leprechauns. And yes, Davies does hit very hard, hard enough to KO JCR's best legit win Maurice Hooker in the gym with big gloves and headgear on lol
