Terence Bud Crawford vs Sugar Ray Leonard @147

This side-discussion was born out of my comment that a Leonard/Crawford bout would go something like Leonard/Benitez - to which you responded "Crawford is certainly better than Benitez", meaning you think Crawford would, without doubt, beat Benitez at 147.

So, why are you continually conflating résumé and achievement - that is, the paper record - with the 'who beats who, head-to-head' line of argument?

Probably because you know the latter is dependent on demonstrated levels of performance in the ring; not situational career talking points. And all you have is career talking points when it comes to Crawford, which is why you keep repeating them as though these paper record entries magically substitute actual fights against actual ATGs.

Crawford has never fought an opponent in Benitez's class. Conversely, Benitez competed at the highest level, demonstrating what he was capable of against other All-Time Greats in their primes - Cervantes, Leonard, Duran, and Hearns. Moreover, his win against Palomino showed brilliance and likely outshines any Welterweight win of Crawford's.


So, get a clue before you next decide to try to tell me a topic "isn’t a debate."

 

He is. By some distance. As are a truckload of Welterweights and Light Middleweights of the past.
Benitez would utterly mug Canelo at 147 or 154.

Who cares? Spence wasn't even a shadow of himself.

So you'd want to pit the worst versions of a past-prime Benitez, who lost to those lesser fighters, against Crawford then, is that it?

Speculative H2H bouts are typically prime, best-against-best. Benitez demonstrated better levels of performance against superior competition. Period.

This is priceless coming from someone who has shown nothing like common sense themselves. Just typical, modernist cheerleading.

But hey - if you want to get all lathered up about currently active fighters, there's a general forum specially for that. Far be it from me to stop you flag-waving over there.

 

No one is "lowballing" Crawford. You're just being an oversensitive fanboy as most of your last several posts have shown you to be. You can't even keep on topic and in context, as I've already pointed out to you.

Calling it an "open and shut case" demonstrates the ignorance of a troll. I have no time for that kind of mentality.

So, with that and the fact that you're not saying anything new here, I'll leave it there.

 

Benitez beat Cervantes when he was 17 a remarkable feat.
Benitez moved up and beat an established champion in Palamino.
Benitez moved up and knocked out a very good boxer in Hope then outboxed Duran.

Like Crawford but his resume does not compare to a Benitez in anyway.

 

Spence had fought 2 times in almost 4 years, and just once in the previous 2 1/2" years. Bud wasn't that much better, but he didn't suffer a horrific accident either. Spence hasn't fought since. A great many conclude he wasn't the same post accident.

Palomino was an excellent fighter and in superb form.

 

Realistically there was a big gap between Crawford/Spence and the rest, especially by the time Spence fought Ugas. Ugas and Garcia are hardly great fighters. The division was barren by 2022. Spence had his flaws and Crawford run right thru them. He's a level above Spence and i certainly wouldn't call Spence a level above Palomino.

 

Bud is a master boxer and all, but I think SRL comes w/ too much speed, power and footwork for him. Bud may edge him ever so slightly on IQ but not enough to compensate for the rest.

 

Jeff Horn was horrible and Palamino was better then Spencer. He is more consistent but name one win that equals a Cervantes who is top 5 all-time in his weight class. And of course somehow you left out the DURAN win which trumps Burns,and quite easily.

 

Canelo wouldn’t land a punch on a prime Benitez