Terence Crawford vs. Canelo Álvarez 168

I thought Canelo would win that fight,I scored it 11-1 Bivol.

But yes he won it because he was the bigger man. Canelo couldn't enforce his will the way he's used to doing.

Beterbiev is still the number 1 LHW in my books.

But of course Canelo gets no credit if he beats Charlo and Crawford.

 

OK at least you're being consistent there. I just think Canelo gassed and gave away rounds because he was fatigued. Bivol is a well conditioned athlete and he didn't fade down the stretch like Canelo did. And that's a big reason why I give Charlo a chance because he's a well conditioned athlete who doesn't fade late in fights. Charlo is similar to Bivol in how well conditioned, but Bivol has better defense and better technique in certain areas. But Bivol's weakness is that he's a light puncher, whereas Charlo can punch. But the difference between Canelo and Jermell is that Canelo already had stamina issues even at his best weight, while Jermell does not. So I think Jermell will have a easier time moving up to higher weights than Canelo did when he moved up to 175. Even against Kovalev, before the stoppage Canelo was very low output and was outboxed by Kovalev due to Kovalev's punch volume.

I think a lot of people confuse skill and stamina when they judge Canelo. Canelo's skill level is top notch, but his stamina is an issue, which is why he has so many close / controversial decisions, he does not throw a lot of punches. As Canelo gets older, his stamina will only become more of an issue, but that doesn't mean his skills are eroding. So he can be outboxed particularly when he gasses. Canelo gives away rounds to conserve his energy. So if we compare Canelo to other P4P fighters like Crawford, Jermell or Inoue, there's skill and there's stamina. Canelo's weakness is stamina, but his skill is arguably still better than anyone's. We know that Crawford, Jermell or Inoue don't have stamina issues like Canelo, but that's not skill. Skill is separate from stamina.

What's intriguing about P4P fighters like Jermell or Bud moving up to fight him is that they don't have stamina issues, but if they put on weight they may have stamina issues as a result of that, and folks like you may use that as an excuse if they lose. But if you really think about it, that sort of evens the playing field as far as comparing skill. Because Canelo already has stamina issues, if Jermell or Bud's stamina is affected by putting on their weight to fight at 168, then all of a sudden Canelo may not be the only one with stamina issues. So all of a sudden Canelo's one area of weakness (stamina, gassing) may be offset by the fact that he's fighting guys moving up. So then the fight itself becomes more of a true test of skill and management of stamina, for both fights, not just for Canelo like it usually is.

 

I could see Crawford winning, he's the same height with 4 inches in reach, Canelo doesn't have a physical style and we all know he struggles with pure boxers and prefers opponents to come to him and Crawford has the superior footwork so I can see him out boxing Canelo.

But damn it's a big jump up in weight to beat a fighter as good as Canelo. Canelo has to be the favourite as Crawford has probably never felt power like Canelo has but I do if Crawford can avoid getting KO'ed he can win a decision.

I'm giving the edge to Bud, I think he can upset the bigger man and shock a lot of people.

 

I agree with that. Crawford is making a wrong decision to fight Canelo.

 

Here's the question though which I raised in the previous post. Do you think Bud will have stamina issues fighting at 168? Like we know Canelo has stamina issues, right, but Bud hasn't shown any issues with stamina. But in a grueling match at 168 against Canelo, do you think we'll see Bud gas late in the fight because he's carrying more weight? Or do you think like Bud and Canelo will both have stamina issues but it'll be sort of even in terms of stamina?

Because lets face it, at 147, Bud didn't show any signs of gassing against Spence. He is a well conditioned fighter but what if he puts on weight? We know Canelo has showed signs of gassing in many of his fights, I mean in his last 3 fights he showed signs of fatigue late. He gassed hard against Bivol after round 4, but even against GGG and Ryder he gassed late in the fight. But how do you think Bud will perform carrying more weight at 168? Do you think he would have stamina issues late in the fight against Canelo simply because of the weight gain? This is an interesting dynamic here and in my mind it makes the fight even more interesting because usually Canelo is the one who slows down and gasses late, but with Bud putting on more weight, maybe Bud would be the one showing signs of fatigue if it goes 12.

And then it becomes a battle of attrition. I mean there are a lot of people who think Bud will get KO'd at 168. But the people who think Bud has a chance against Canelo surely would see him winning a decision, that scenario is where stamina could come into play.

 

You were drunk?

 

I think you're right about that, because his plan of fighting Jermell at 154 was dependent on Jermell being Undisputed at 154, which now he won't be due to the WBO ruling. I agree it's about him being 3X Undisputed and his path to do that at 154 is now more complicated with Tim being WBO Champ. So now his only direct route to 3X Undisputed is via 168. But part of it too is that he wants to fight the winner of that match not the loser.

And another factor is that he had a difficult time making 147, so he's probably outgrowing 147 anyway, and he realizes that he's not getting any younger. The time to test himself against the best at the higher weights is now, because he'll be 36 soon and within a couple of years he'll probably be passed his prime. He's still considered Prime now at 35 almost 36 because he really hasn't been in any wars and he hasn't taken much punishment. And he doesn't have the boxing milage Canelo does, despite being much younger Canelo's been in the game much longer and a lot of fans consider Canelo past it despite being younger. It all makes Bud moving up very intriguing. The timing does make sense.

 

Nah..just semi trolling.

 

Absolutely.

 

I don't think it will be an issue unless he purposefully bulks up too much which I doubt he will do. He's a big welter probably comes in north of 160 and a few extra lbs probably won' make a big enough difference especially against Canelo who's not known for a high work rate, so even if it did compromise his stamina, Canelo isn't the fighter to test it.

 

The problem is Canelo is a power puncher and is built like a tank. He's absolutely not the kind of fighter you want to move up and face.

Golovkin might just be the most iron jawed boxer in history and look he reluctant he was to fight Canelo for the first 7 rounds of their rubber.

Only when Canelo gassed did Golovkin fight him on an even level.

 

Yeah and I think it makes for a good fight. Because there's a scenario if Bud's chin holds up, which is a big if, but if he doesn't caught by a big shot he could possibly have the better stamina and work rate to win a decision. The big question mark for Bud though is his punch resistance. How does his style match with Canelo. But some would say that while putting on weight could slow you down, it could also help your ability to take a punch and not go down. Putting on weight affected Canelo against Bivol because he was a guy who already had stamina issues and was known to gas down the stretch, he compounded those issues by putting on more weight. Also how hard he fought in rounds 1-4 caused him to gas even more than he usually did, as he usually starts slower than he did against Bivol. For Bud, or even Jermell for that matter, these guys have better conditioning than Canelo and aren't known to gas so I don't think they'll be too affected by putting on more weight. The issue will be more about how they deal with Canelo's punches, and less about how putting on weight will affect them stamina wise.

 

Yeah the power of Canelo is what makes it interesting, while he's no GGG in power department he's a dangerous counter puncher and easily the biggest puncher Bud will have ever faced. Even if his chin holds up, maybe he gets injured like BJS, Canelo can break bones he's proven that.

It's a fight that many might seem a jump too far but it terms of style I think it's a tough fight for Canelo and that makes it for me a fight I'd actually want to see as unlike Canelo/Charlo I actually give the guy coming up a chance.

 

Has everybody on this forum gone completely ****ing crazy ???

Sure Bud had a good win over Errol, but after seeing how Errol looked in that fight, he was a shadow of his pre-crash self.

And that's his ONLY win at 147 that approachs being great.

He has practically NO chance against Canelo.

Canelo doesn't have to land a single head shot to win this. He can walk through anything that Bud throws and body-shot the smaller man to death.

Having survived GGG punches, what can Canelo fear coming from Bud ?


IF, this fight happens, it would be a cash-out fight for the man from Omaha. Nothing more.