Terence Crawford vs. Sugar Ray Robinson ?

No it isn't the truth you making a baseless comment doesn't mean it's a fact at all it just means you're not very knowledgeable on SRR because anyone who says he has basic footwork is totally clueless and that is fact.

Resumes do play a part in fantasy match ups yes because Robinson was beating great fighters he's more proven in tough fights against upper echelon opposition where as Crawford isn't.

You're basing it on a assumption because Crawford is modern that's you're whole argument with no actual rhyme or reason to your argument about how they match up or who's far proven against upper echelon opposition.

When has Crawford ever fought a fighter taller than him with blistering handspeed and KO power in either hand ?

 

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THis is the best SRR video cause it shows him doing something so few boxers in history have been capable of, throwing super clean combinations with immense power. Can Errol Spence Jr do that? (Crawford's best win?) Can Madrimov? - Hell no !

So you can say he fought 80 years ago and boxing and styles have moved on, but a savage who can punch that fast and hard will be a menace in any era. Maidana was a hard punching slugger and he gave Mayweather JR hell. Imagine what this monster could do vs modern guys.

 

Joe Louis had infinitely better technique than a modern champ in Deontay Wilder...

 

Right it's not always newer is better

Besides Wilder was never really the champ

 

When has Robinson fought a boxer with a 10/10 boxing IQ, elite speed, unbelievable timing, power in both hands and much better footwork.


We can do this all day

 

He'd have a better shot vs Mayweather than he would vs Crawford that is for sure

 

This is an impressive display of speed and power

 

Crawford is better defensively, I'll give you that.. as is Floyd.

But boxing is physical, toughness, mentality, and skills, all wrapped into one. SRR had a big explosiveness and size advantage over Bud. He had an iron chin, super tough, would fight a 15 round fight and then have another one a month later. Skill wise boxing is better now, but they were tougher guys back then.

I honestly think a prime SRR would take Errol Spence's head clean off. Bud would be a tough fight, but I'm betting on SRR for above reasons.

 

I think while Robinson was bigger the size difference is a little overblown because of same day weigh ins back then.

 

Joey, you’re normally a very good poster.

I didn’t even realise it was you at first.

So I’m not sure if you’ve been trolling today or not.


I’m a huge fan of Terence.

I respect everything about the man.

I can’t wait for the Canelo fight.


I’m not saying that Ray would have schooled him or anything. I don’t even think that I’ve said that he’d have beaten him.

But if someone gives you a fantasy fight question.

Then please do the following:

1. Analyse their attributes and their skill sets.

2. Be as objective as possible, and give an honest opinion on how you think they’d have matched up on the night stylistically.


Do not ignorantly just write them off and automatically favour the more modern fighter, just because he’s more modern.

You surely realise that skills are skills, and that any great fighter could have had MIXED success in ANY era, simply depending on who they fought.

You surely realise that styles make fights.


So let’s have a logical debate.

Let’s see how logical the things are what you’re saying.


Now correct me if I’m wrong, but on another thread from a while ago, I’m sure that you said that Ray Leonard would have had success today.

Unless I’ve got you wrong with another poster. Again, you can correct me if I’m wrong.


Now Ray Leonard’s prime was 45 years ago.

That’s a long time ago.

But any knowledge fan KNOWS that he’d have had success today.

Because we can analyse his skills, and we can see how great he was.


But explain this to me:

If Ray from 45 years ago could have success today, then why couldn’t another fighter who shared many similarities, also have had success today?

Why does it matter when he fought?

Have you got a time cut off? (do you believe that nobody past 50 years ago could compete etc?)

 

Joey, the man knocked out a guy with a beautiful left hook, whilst retreating backwards.

It’s one of the most famous knockouts in history.

It was one of Bert Randolph Sugar’s favourite ever knockouts.

From a technical standpoint, it was beautiful.


Ray had tremendous footwork.

He could cut the ring off.

He could dance.

He could feint and set traps.

He could jump in and out of range.

He had wonderful balance.


Now come and have a serious debate.

Because people think that you’re trolling.

 

Ray wasn’t just being humble.

Do some research.

Research what many great respected fighters and trainers have also stated throughout the years.

No, he wasn’t more skilled than Robinson.


Boxing has evolved.

However, it does not continuously evolve, and any truly great fighter, with a truly great skill set, who had amazing technique, timing and balance etc, would have mixed results in any era, simply depending on who they fought.


Skills are skills.

Technique, timing, balance and leverage etc, are the same today as what they’ve always been.

No new techniques have been invented.


Men today haven’t grown extra limbs.

The same punches have existed for decades.

A perfectly timed left hook from the 1950’s, is the same as a perfectly timed left hook from 2025.


Now surely if you can actually see for yourself, with your own eyes, how great someone was, that they could have fought in any era.

Today’s era isn’t defined by one certain style.

Today, there’s great fighters, with many different sizes styles and attributes, just like from any other era.


Again, I’ve been studying Charles and Moore. Now I promise you that if you studied those guys, you could not believe that they couldn’t have had success today, just based upon the years that they fought in.

Those guys skill sets were unbelievable. By any metric. Perfect timing and technique.

Perfect power and accuracy.

Unbelievable knockouts with either hand.


A knowledgeable man could not study them and then say “They couldn’t possibly have competed today, because they fought in the 40’s and 50’s”

You don’t judge someone by the time they fought.

You judge them on their skill sets. Their attributes.


There is nothing delusional whatsoever, about claiming that Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and Ray Robinson, could have had success today.


Now if you’re not trolling, you really need to broaden your level of logical thinking.

Don’t make ignorant assumptions.

Educate yourself on these guys.

 

But you haven’t Joey.

Because again, the man scored one of the most famous knockouts in the sport’s history, by knocking out Gene Fullmer, whilst going backwards.

Go in a ring and try and replicate that.

He is renowned by many, many fighters, trainers and historians, to have had immense footwork.


Ali studied tape of Robinson.

Leonard studied tape of Robinson.

Hopkins studied tape of Moore.

Toney studied tape of Moore and Charles.

Tyson studied Marciano and Dempsey.


Modern ATG’s have literally studied those guys from decades ago.

 

Ray had faster hand and foot speed.

He had more knockout power in either hand.

They both have exceptional timing and accuracy.

They both have great footwork and technique.

 

It's not necessarily a cut off and it's not necessarily that no old fighter can do well or win in a head to head stylistical match as styles makes fights

It's more that the way Sugar Ray Robinson fought was so offensive that I don't think he'd beat Terence Crawford.

I think once Crawford figured out Robinsons timing Crawford would win almost every round and control the fight on his way to a unanimous decision.

My bigger point wasn't to discredit Sugar Ray Robinson but to say that there is a lot of mythology about fighters of the past.

I don't think Robinson as was would have beaten a lot of the modern day greats (not all) at his weight.

Now if we took that Sugar Ray Robinson and put him in today's time growing up now that is a different story but that's not what I thought we were doing

As far as Robinsons footwork and counterpunching I felt they were very basic compared to modern day greats