Terence Crawford vs Terry Norris at 154

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Even if they are I don't want to hear it from them. If you boil down to a division to beat up on fighters you're way bigger than your size was a massive advantage and you can't use it as an excuse when things don't go your way. Try fighting opponents your own size instead of weight bullying much smaller ones

    He might well bring his power up to 154 but until I see him do something of note at that weight I'm not picking him to beat a great at that weight, especially given how few punchers he's fought and even more so ones his size

    Super Boots would be a real good start but he's going to duck him

    No of course I don't expect him to beat MWs and above

    No problem. I'm willing to revise my opinion if and when he proves himself at 154
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He might well go onto prove that but he's going to have to beat way better fighters than Postol, Porter, Gamboa and the overrated Spence for him to be ranked on McCallum's level who he would stands zero chance of beating
     
  3. Hi-Tech

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    Now we saw Bud at 154. How he do against Norris now
     
  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    I like Norris but alot of his big wins were against blown up Welterweights or shot fighters like Leonard, Mugabi, Taylor, Curry, Brown, etc.

    Still Crawford has never met anyone the size of Norris with his speed and power and talent. I'd have to favour the more proven Jr Middleweight which is obviously Terry Norris.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

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    To be fair Serge and as I said I do like Norris but you're not really adding the context to Norris's wins.

    Meldrick Taylor spent most of his career as a Jr Welterweight and was considerably past his best after the Chavez fight he had no business fighting at Jr Middleweight.

    Mugabi was also past it and never the same again after the brutal war vs Hagler 4 years previously.

    Leonard was 35 years old and had been inactive for 2 years and was fighting at a weightclass he hadn't fought at in like 8 years very similar to ODLH vs Pacquiao.

    Simon Brown spent most of his career as a Weltweight.

    I don't think Norris ever beat a prime legit 154 pounder. I'd still favour Norris in this match up but it has to be said he did feast on past it fighters and blown up Welterweights.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You can apply the same context to Crawford and his best wins

    Just for starters

    Crawford is a natural 147 pounder who spent most of his career beating up on 135 and 140 pounders

    His best win Spence forged an entire career off cleaning out 147 of its career 140 pounders and blown up 135 Mikey and only ever fought two career 147 pounder champs in his entire career both of whom he struggled badly against

    Gamboa was a natural 126/130 pounder who had no right being up at 135, let alone against a much heavier and longer gigantic 135 pounder, and whose form is trash at that weight

    Crawford weighed a whole weight class more than Postol


    How dare you disrespect SRL like that. Shame on you Dynamicpuncher. Shame on you.

    It's not like he was only coming wins over Roberto ''Hands of Stone'' Duran, Marvellous Marvin Hagler, and a draw against Thomas ''The Hitman'' Hearns in 3 of his last 4 fights or anything or had won the WBC SMW and LHW titles simultaneously against Donald ''Golden Boy'' Lalonde in the other one

    You're not only disrespecting the great SRL you're also disrespecting those other legends of the sport he fought Duran, Hagler and Hearns

    I should ban you on the spot for that and I would if I didn't like you
     
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  7. monaim

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    Another Bud vs Spence fight
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    I agree Crawford hasn't got a great resume either infact I think for a fighter who's been P4P number 1. I think he has the worst resume ever for a top P4P guy apart from Shane Mosley but atleast he beat a prime ODLH.

    As for SRL I respect him greatly as a fighter but he was done at that point Serge. He should've retired after the 2nd Hearns fight.

    I'm actually not sure why SRL took the Norris fight draining back down to Jr Middleweight at 35 years old whilst being almost 2 years inactive seemed like a strange decision to me.

    Too many greats carry on far too long.
     
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  9. Flo_Raiden

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    Might have to pick the natural 154 lb fighter Norris. Bigger, faster hands and was the more explosive puncher. Plus Norris usually feasted on guys that were smaller than him.

    Crawford still has a puncher's chance in landing a big shot that could possibly shatter Norris' fragile chin.
     
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  10. Serge

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    His best win in 41 fights is Spence, arguably a compromised version. Spence was ranked #4 or #5 P4P at the time, has been ranked in the P4P top 10 ever since beating Brook, and he has finally only just been kicked out of it the other day. The only thing in that last sentence which isn't ridiculous was the last part. You want to hear something even more ridiculous? So many had Spence ranked P4P#1 or #2 :risas3:

    Gamboa, as said, was a 130 pounder at best and had no right being up at 135. In his only fight at that weight prior to facing Crawford he laboured to a tough UD against a fighter featherfist Anthony Crolla KO'd a couple of years later

    Postol was dropped x 2 and on the verge of being stopped by a 13 fight novice in his next fight after losing to Crawford. He was wobbling all over the ring like a newborn giraffe after hauling himself up off the canvas

    And did lose his next fight after that one, to a green 12-0 Josh Taylor who'd never been past 9 rounds before or fought a prime world class opponent

    The Crawford fans will try and have you believe Crawford ruined Postol by spending the entire duration of the fight stinking out the joint inflicting minimal damage on him apart from a brace of flash KDs one of which a rabbit punch which predictably his home ref counted. Pretty sure I saw Crawford get dropped by Mean Machine but the home ref predictably choose not to count that one

    But Postol's claim to fame is beating Lucas on a freak eye injury who wasn't in anyway diminished by the three brutal wars he'd been in three of his four previous fights against Garcia, Molina, and Ruslan :facepalm:

    Burns would've been 0-2 in his previous 2 if not for corruption and extremely good fortune. A robbery win over Beltran (who Crawford later went on to beat albeit whilst weighing a whole division more than him) and Burns was losing on all three of the judge's cards (84-87 x 3) in his own backyard in his fight prior to that one when his opponent Jose A Gonzales on his way to victory suffered a freak arm or wrist injury and had to pull out after 9 rounds

    I could keep going on but you get the picture. Excellent fighter, one of the very best of his generation, but his fanboys and the media try to browbeat us into submission by acting like it's an indisputable fact he's P4P#1 and pretending like he has a great resume when it's poor or mid for a P4P top 5 star and 41 fight vet


    For sure. He should've called it a day after drawing with Hearns. It was a gift draw too
     
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  11. ellerbe

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    Scary Terry pieces him up
     
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  12. Hi-Tech

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    Boots vs Terry is another good one
     
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  13. Levook

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    Excellent posts. However, I do think the big names that you mentioned on Norris's Ledger were special Fighters in their Prime, and even at the Advanced stages in their careers would be successful today against 99.9% of what's out there.