Terence Crawford vs Vergil Ortiz Jr - who wins?

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Who wins

  1. Terence Crawford

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  2. Vergil Ortiz Jr

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    As a Ortiz fan, why would I want that? He just beat the guy that brutalized the guy in one sided fashion that violently KO'd Fundora, and far more impressively than Timmy Zoo I might add.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because respectfully, Ortiz gets trashed. He has a shot Because Crawfords chin is suspect, but realistically he gets timed and dispatched after retaliating with winging punches. I'd have Ortiz fight winner of Spence fundora before Crawford. Have him become champion at least
     
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  3. CST80

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    No, not even close, and neither does Bohachuk. As I stated a few days ago... Ortiz and Bohachuk are too big, too strong and hit too hard for both Crawford and Madrimov, and they beat the brakes off of both of them. Neither Bud nor Israil have the firepower to keep them at bay. Clearly Bud's power is greatly diminished at 154, whereas Israil has never been a one punch guy. That's when iron chinned, stronger, heavier handed fighters do as they please and walk right through your ass. Even if Ortiz and Bohachuk play it safe initially, which they probably should, their output is high enough, angles and combos hard to defend against and accuracy great enough, that even if they can't score a knockout, it's probably more than enough to secure them wins on the cards. Madrimov came damned close *two cards were damned close to draws), and do people really think Vergil and Sergii can't best him in multiple departments? Stop deluding yourselves. What? You didn't learn your lessons last week?
     
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  4. m.s.

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    I think Ortiz is an incredibly fierce fighter, all action with very good power, a true warrior. But I think I would go with Crawford because of his switch hitting style. I think at some point Crawford will catch him with the punch Ortiz don't, similar to what Bud did to Brook. Just much later in the fight.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

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    What lessons ? I said Madrimov would be a tough fight. I rated him. He is stylistically tougher. Ortiz has a chance especially because Crawford is getting older, but I think it's wishful thinking to make him the favorite. Bohachuk gets washed, no way
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    Vergil Ortiz is better than Kavaliauskas and hits harder so it's pretty sound logic for someone to think Ortiz beats Crawford, but it ignores Ortiz vulnerabilities and Kavaliauskas has better timing and footwork imo. The perception of Crawford being chinny might also be overblown based on the Madrimov fight
     
  7. Hanz Cholo

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    Crawford vs Ortiz will likely look something like Canelo vs Berlanga.
     
  8. BoxingIQ

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    No.... Crawford amd Canelo are similar in skillet virgil is p4p a better fighter than Berlanga
     
  9. Hanz Cholo

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    Yeah?
    We’ll see - there are levels to this
    Ortiz NOT on Crawford level imo.
     
  10. BoxingIQ

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    Ortiz would be the best fighter Crawford ever faced. Let that sink in
     
  11. Levook

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    After seeing last performance, I think Bud tears him up.
     
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  12. Hanz Cholo

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    No güey dude Your dreaming.
    Ortiz is still a highly touted prospect / contender at this point.
     
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  13. CST80

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    Sorry, I was writing a very long review of The Last Emperor in the Lounge yesterday and I was so mentally drained I forgot to respond.:lol: I wasn't saying that directly to you, it was a repost of what I said earlier in this thread. That being said, I do think Crawford backers are deluding themselves when it comes to his effectiveness at 154. He's never been hard to land on or outbox, and his asset during his runs at 140 and 147 was his power. He could rely on it whenever he needed it. Had the Porter fight gone the distance, there'd have been cries of robbery. Kavaliauskas won the first five rounds and dropped Bud. Now at 154, his power seems less effective, therefore he can't rely on it to bail him out quite as much. Now, let's speak about lessons, I was shouting from the rooftops that Madrimov was going to be a nightmare due to his skillset, Bud couldn't bail himself out with his power and the end result was.... two 115-113 cards, against a low output guy, who fought a hyper cautious chess match. Clearly Bohachuk and Ortiz have excellent chins, have excellent power, have excellent output and are both quite underrated in terms of skill sets, so they're both nightmares for different reasons. If Bud cannot hurt them, and he probably can't, he will not be able to keep up with the pace they're going to set, and they'll land aplenty. So yes, they both should be seen as the favorite. What about Bud going southpaw? Ortiz had one of his better performances against McKinson, a slick southpaw. So that's far from a sure thing either. Canelo's power has greatly diminished at 168, but at least he has the pressure and output to see him through. Without his power, Bud doesn't have the output, pressure and I have a feeling, the gas tank to hang.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    I will admit you're right only if you get your predictions right. We will see if Ortiz can beat Crawford
     
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  15. BoxingIQ

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    I think the boxing community has turned Crawford into something he is not (a master boxer). Crawford is a mix of a skilled brawler with above-average boxing skills, and great athleticism all mixed in in one. When I think of master boxers, I think of fighters like Floyd, Pernell, Marc Too Sharp, Loma, Rigo, Leonard, and Benitez. Crawford is none of that. I have also noticed a pattern where we overrate his opposition to make him look better than he actually is.

    Look. is Madrimov more "twitchy" than Virgil? Yes. Does that mean he is a better fighter or boxer? No. For example, Lara is more twitchy than GGG, but GGG is widely considered to be the superior boxer and fighter. Winky was more text-book than Jermaine Taylor, and we see what the results were. If Madrimov and Virgil were to fight, I would favor Virgil by stoppage just due to the fact he has superior power, talent, and his ability to let his hands go.

    Virgil would be the best fighter Crawford has ever fought and the hardest puncher. Anyone using a weight-drained Spence as a measuring stick on how Virgil would perform is crazy. I would favor Crawford by decision but I would not be surprised if Virgil actually won or if it was a draw.