Terrell vs. Chuvalo

Ok.

 

tbf, he's only 17 so it is entirely plausible.

 

This is the third time watching this in the last 2 days, this time scoring it round by round. With the sound off. Just my honest opinion with notes.

1-----Both start well. Chuvalo blocks most of the jabs with his right glove. Even
2-----Terrell jabs more effectively. Chuvalo does some good body work. Terrell
3-----Terrell jabs very effectively at times. But sometimes seems too far away. Terrell
4-----Terrell jabs seem to be mainly blocked, but they often keep Chuvalo from throwing punches. Chuvalo works hard in close. Chuvalo
5-----Chuvalo does surprisingly well with his own jab, possibly because he is moving forward when he throws it. Terrell running. Close round goes to Chuvalo with a good late one-two.
6-----Terrell running. Chuvalo hurts Terrell with a rare overhand right, and buckles his knees with a late flurry. Chuvalo.
7-----Neither did much. Jabbing contest. Even
8-----Terrell scores heavily with flurry after Chuvalo complains to ref. Terrell.
9-----Terrell running but scores heavily with jabs. Terrell.
10---Chuvalo does good work with left hooks to head and body. Chuvalo.
11---Chuvalo wins round with body work. Chuvalo.
12---Neither did much. Even.
13---terrible camera work, including cutting away from the action twice to show a manager waving his arms. Whatever director okay'd that should have been fired. Off what I saw. Terrell.
14---Close round that I thought Chuvalo rallied to win. In these late rounds Terrell would start better, but really fade in the last half of the round. He did the same against Spencer. Chuvalo.
15---Terrell takes first half of round, Chuvalo rallies to take second half. Even.

So my score is six rounds for Chuvalo, five rounds for Terrell, and four even. (so sue me, but how I saw it)

Chuvalo is a mediocre offensive fighter. Slow both by foot and in punching. Also, he comes close to being a one-handed fighter because he so rarely throws a right cross. On the other hand, I was impressed with his defensive skill. He had a high guard which served him very well in parrying Terrell's jabs. To my eyes, those jabs just didn't get through nearly as often as those scoring this fight overwhelmingly for Terrell judge. (That said, I am watching a tape while the judges were at ringside) To support my position, though, the lingering close-up of Chuvalo while he was waiting for the scorecards did not show a guy who looked like he had been eating hard jabs all night.

As Chris Schenkel commented during the Spencer fight, Terrell often fought too far away for his jabs to be all that damaging.

As for Terrell, I am sorry but I am not a fan. Too much a jab and grab spoiler.

 

It isn't just swaying opinions. A guy talking is distracting and breaks concentration on the action.

 

Dunphy horrible? GTFO. Dunphy is the best for several reasons, not the least of which was his minimalist approach to television commentary. He's the last announcer that would have been able to much less try to sway anyone. He rarely uttered a word on live TV and when he did it was usually to add context. His entire philosophy around commentating was to not simply call the action to viewers watching live at home because they could see for themselves. His approach to radio announcing was exactly the opposite with an exquisite staccato rhythm illustrating the action almost perfectly.

As for Walkers score I give him credit for actually being able to admit how wide his scores were. I dont agree that the fight was that competitive. Nobody else did either. Thomas' score is laughable. Its literally the first time Ive seen anyone score the fight for Chuvalo and to get there he had have four even rounds and still only had Chuvalo ahead by one round. LOL. Im curious to know what criteria he used for scoring because it was completely alien to any scoring Ive ever seen of a professional boxing match to the point that he has to admit "sue me" he knows his score is garbage.

As for Patterson, why would you eat a McDonalds hamburger when you could have Filet Mignon? Patterson chose to fight Ali, the real champion, and a better more dangerous fighter than Terrell over Terrell. I dont think Terrell beats Patterson either. He was beaten and dropped by Thad Spencer who was about the same size as Patterson but nowhere near as fast or hard hitting. Terrell wasnt anywhere near as fast or as active as Ali either so I dont see him giving Patterson the same problems Ali posed. Terrell wasnt going out there and destroying Doug Jones, Machen, or Folley all guys who were Pattersons size or smaller and none of whom brought the same intangibles to the table that he did. I dont see Patterson losing to Terrell. He might if Terrell used his size effectively but he often fought down to his opponents, hunching his back, dipping his head, and bending his knees. Youd have never guess the guy was 6'6" the way he often gave up his height. His clinching would give Patterson problems no doubt but Patterson was a hell of a lot busier, more active, and frankly harder hitting than Chuvalo to add to his speed. I think he'd score enough to outpoint Terrell and hit hard enough on occasion to keep Terrell honest.

 

I have no problem with considering my scoring "laughable" as we are all entitled to our opinions.

I should emphasize that I am scoring off the tape which I watched three times in the last couple of days to make certain of my reaction as I understand my score is way off the consensus. The tape might not be as good for judging as being at ringside. I concede that.

As for why I scored it the way I did. I saw a lot of those jabs being picked off by Chuvalo's guard. I don't score for hitting a guy's gloves.

One thing I noticed is that Terrell was increasingly running as the fight wore on. Why? The best explanation is that those body punches from Chuvalo were hurting him. Whatever else, and I am not a big fan of Chuvalo, he never wavered in coming forward, making one wonder about the efficacy of those supposedly daunting jabs. One thing the jabs did do was often keeping Chuvalo on the defensive blocking them and therefore cut down on his offense. They seemed effective in that way more than in actual scoring.

As for scoring four rounds even, that is the way I saw it. Nothing much to chose between them in those rounds so I didn't. What would it prove to give them arbitrarily to one or the other or to split them?

One thing which interested me also is that in the Spencer fight Spencer got 118 points over twelve rounds under a ten point must system despite being knocked down in one round. That seems to mean Terrell only got one round.

Anyway, as scoring a boxing match is subjective, I stand strongly by my scoring.

*just as an aside. My reason for turning the sound down had nothing to do with Dunphy. I just find silence helps me concentrate better on what I am seeing.

 

My opinion -- Don Dunphy the best ever. Howard Cosell the worst I ever heard unless a person likes sarcasm mixed with zero knowledge about boxing.