Terry Downes and East London hardman Roy Shaw

The hardest guys in the Scottish prison service then were all sent to Peterhead before it became a nonces jail.

 

of course they will beat most men in the street, but a big difference from most men to the top men in the streets. Most of hardest fighters in streets, were/are plasterers, ****er burners in shipyards or farmers

 

will do. Dare say he will as he used to go in gym with Pater to do a lot of fitness work, sparring with the bigger guys in gym

 

all the east london hardmen would of got mullered by bartley gorman. bartley offered both mclean & shaw out an the pair of them never wanted a single thing to do with him

 

Saw big joe joyce kick the living **** out of Roy shaw outside a chipper back in the 70's

 

So the scotch lads seen off the Krays , the middlseborough lads has well , and the Manchester lads are supposed to of met the Krays at the train station , give em a pasting and put them back on the train .

Wonder what the fack the Krays would off bothered, catching a facking train to manchester for , Did they pay for Mad Frankies train fare has well , 1 pound facking 10 , The Krays were RICH GANGSTERS they did'nt run round the facking country catching trains to take over Manchester or facking Scotland for that matter ,

My grandad and my Uncles met Al Capone at the southhampton docks , and told him to sling his hook and fack off back to chigaco , sicily or wherever the fack he was from , He was told in no uncertain terms THIS IS ENGLAND we don't like wogs and wops , so fack off , in fact my grandad grabbed him by the throat and told him , Now listen here laddie we don't like your sort and if ye dunno fack off , i'll slash the other side of ya facking face .

Well Al facked off quick smart, and when he was back on the boat , he was shouting from the deck

Itsa not finished ,ITSA not finished , i'm gonna tell Lucky luisiano , and Bugsy about you lot , just wait and see , Did'nt bother my grandad and uncles they just sneered and said,go on fack off you pizza making wog , and don't come back .

And thats a true story , they did'nt tell anyone cos they did'nt want there mam to find out they had been fighting ,.

Pffft you think the glasgow lads are hard , aint got nothing on my familly ,Seen my Nan stick the nut on glasgow billy once , dropped him good an proper then finished him with a kick to the bollocks . And thats cos he asked for a smoke , she would off murdered him if he upset her .

Make me mad when people listen to all the bollocks and take it has gospel , and theres lots of untold stories about , regarding proper hard nuts like my nana and grandad . Telling ya every thurs at the centra bingo hall it was a blood bath when others shouted Bingo in front of Nana . .

Jeez some of you need educating .

 

big joe is a good man to fight. there is plenty of travling men who would of beat the likes of the east londoner fighters e.g henry francis, old bill elliott, caley botton, albert smith an so on theres loads

 

Just another thug and bully boy , Does'nt make them God , they don't deserve to be hero worshipped , The soilders who go to parts of the world and face being shot in the back or bombed while on patrol ect ect .. Now there proper tough guys , if not physiclly then mentally .

The rest are **** heads , i've got a cousin , and you can have your Lee Duffys and Cocerills, of the world because if they dealt with him, they would be dead or in prison for murder , simply because they would have to kill him , and why

Its simple , because he's a 5' 7" skinny **** weak little scumbag , closet poof .. He first got put in boys home around 10 years of age , been in and out of nick for probably 30 out of the last 45 years , The guys never had a job , could'nt break wind never mind a jaw , but he's a dangerous little ****er who will stab you from behind , the cowardly little **** would go for your mother or your brother to to get at you , he recently got 10 years again and with a bit of luck someone inside will get rid of the facker , Point being when he's out which is never for long , IDIOTS talk about him being a hard case , he's just a facking joke , who can't live in the real world and likes going to jail , cos like i said , he can't work he gets fed , and i'm convinced he's a poof .

 

Dan Rooney, Sam and Bartley Gorman ,Peter fury too

 

Would anyone of liked to get on the wrong side of someone like benn?
Worst kind of boxer to fight would be a skilled brawler.
As trumpy said all those so called hard men and gangsters are losers who are worshipped for some reason when they are actually scumbags

 

Lightening Lee Murray (mma, no homo) was very handy in the street, he put tito ortiz out cold in a brawl in London.

 

Lee Duffy was a family friend, so I guess you can say my view is biased. My old man was friends with Lee, worked with him for many years and although they weren't on the best terms at the time of Lee's death, they'd sorted things out and were "hospitable" with each other. I was only young at the time and have blurred memories of him, but if I go by what my old man says he was a good lad if you knew him.

Obviously you hear other things (Middlesbrough is a small town) and I can see why some people said he was a bully. Let's just say when he died the Cleveland Police Force actually had a party

 

I don't know the circumstances of this Terry Downes Roy Shaw thing but all things being equal street fight or no street fight Shaw wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds with Terry Downes.
As for Lenny McClean beating Ali in any circumstances it simply doesn't deserve comment.