Terry Norris’ wins over Sugar Ray Leonard, Donald Curry, and Meldrick Taylor

The same way he whipped Julian Jackson?

 

SRL KTFO Terry Norris in his prime. It's not even worth debating.

 

Yeah and in HIS prime, HAGLER knocks Leonard the **** out. Oh yeah, Leonard WOULDN'T FIGHT HIM in his prime. Norris beat Leonard s ass bad! And THAT is the conly fight that matters not any hypothetical s

 

Why is that the only fight that matters? Holmes whipped Ali?

 

becuz Leonard was nothing like Ali

Leonard had gone 12/12 with superb boxing skills N speed N movement in his previous fight

you people dont even THINK

you just like to compare with Ali b/c your analytical skills are low

Leonard hadnt lost a fight in 11 yrs

while Ali lost to a novice in Leon Spinks LOL!

over 15 rounds - the championship distance!!

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Ali was also murdered by Norton in fight 3

and lost to Shavers

and i gave him but 3 rounds in the Jimmy Young fight. he was embarrassed!

Leonard's problem is that he had never fought anyone with speed like Norris

He DEF avoided Micheal Nunn

He wouldnt DREAM of avoiding Don Lalonde. No WAITING THERE!

LOL! The ESB panel of "experts" is an embarrassment no matter how many times you bring up the like of Lloyd Marshall, or Charley Burley or any other anonymities

 

leonard at 34 was more like Monzon at 34, 35ish

rather than Ali at 39 with several losses/gift decisions

Leonard's only problem was handling movers with trigger fisted lefts and rights

The speed of Norris was Leonard's kryptonite

as Norris might say "I got so much speed, I dont know what to do with it!"

 

Hagler was very badly eroded. I watched him in his sparring sessions the month before and from it I concluded Marvin was finished as both fighter and champion

Vito also said the same on an ESPN interview saying if Hagler had faced any of his previous title challengers, he would now lose

ESBers dont know this becuz they are not privy to this information and besides that, they grew up living, breathing, and loving SRL

 

Your right in a lot of your points. Terry Norris does deseve credit for beating Ray Leonard when they fought. I think he carried him but who knows? Terry was young and Ray cherry picked Terry because of his chin. Norris did fight a great fight. He was smart, fast and best Ray easily. There was a ton of pressure on a young kid fighting a legend. Norris did everything he was supposed to do. We can't dismiss his win. It was huge.

We can keep it in perspective though. I don' t know any fighters who were peaking at 36. Do you think Ray was as good as his he was in 1981?

 

Good points.

The problem with boxing is how folks evaluate deterioration. Most don't even think it's a factor until a guy is totally shot.

But just noticing say Leonard's hands---they were getting progressively worse. But how many people bother to compare hands when Leonard is facing Norris? Then most folks would consider it a wash as opposed to a huge advantage for Norris.

You usually don't see the older guys fighting 3 types of guys; Big big hitters. Cutie pies. And lastly, the speed guys. The winning % of old fighters when they fight youth is horrible. They almost always fight a different style. Leonard was certainly smart enough to know this. The same thing happened to him that happened to other oldsters.

 

I'm basing him on what he did on his previous fight. I didnt see signs of being shot like the ESB liars point out. In fact, SRL was even booed for using his legs TOO MUCH!

No fighter who unleashes 8 punch combos and uses their legs non stop is shot

but these same ESB liars refuse to go there

I look at it this way: 1991 Norris whipped the man they said had no chance. "Who'd he beat" was the knock on him

but as Geeorge Foreman and other underdogs proved, if you can hurt the other guy and beat him to the punch, that's all that matters. and a good defense also helps.

that's why Sugar couldnt get to him

Norris whips 1987 version. 1984 version, the one who just got by Howard? are you kidding? It would be like their 1991 meeting

and based what I saw in the Larry Bonds fight, Norris would outbox him in the same way. In fact, it was that fight, and many parts of the Hearns fight, that influenced me to go against the grain and select Terry as the big winner

and he did, he won big

I think Larry Holmes said it best "Terry Norris had the style to beat him"

this is something ESBers find distasteful and will take decades to come to terms with. they are very much behind where they should be and that's why I look down my nose at them

 

He shouldve faced nunn when he had the chance but I think Nunn's ability to cause other middleweights problems, and his elusivveness & left hand, deterred him

Nunn was tough to get to and I cant imagine Leonard taking reams of blows to work his body. This is what happened with Toney but JT was young and had a great chin

Ray could at least have faced Pryor but blew that chance too

SRl really doesnt have that many names on his resume

 

can Ray hit like Jackson? He looks more like a boxer puncher than a power hitter. Or hadnt you noticed?

that's why we see the different results in those two fights

For some reason, the obvious goes over your head

sour grapes

 

You get an A for effort. It`s must be hard work talking around something this obvious. Just the fact that Ray was off what 2 years since his last fight? He was 35 years old. You can`t get around those things. Terry did have alot of talent. Speed, footwork and pretty good pop. He was mean as long as he was facing blown up Welters.

At the end of the day IMO Norris career was a letdown. It looked promising but he just didn`t have the defense or the chin to even attempt to fight a Middleweight. At that time James Toney vs Terry Norris was a natural matchup, Funny thing is Norris had a shot against Toney but not that many other top middles. The guy was done at what 28?

 

Probably as good as Mullings

 

There was also some talk of a Chris Eubank fight. I really really wanted to see that one. I was convinced the arrogance and confidence that Eubank had would get to an old Leonard. It would have had terrific odds===as far as I'm concerned. Hardly anyone in America had bothered to watch say, 3 fights of his. But they sure didn't like his confidence and arrogance. I think it might have gone off at 6 or 7 to 1.

But the Norris and Camacho fights lined my pockets good enough & one of those bouts does not happen if the Eubank fight transpired anyway.