Terry Norris .Vs. Ray Leonard ('81 Version).

Who did Norris beat that was better than Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez ?

I think where redrooster says every time he saw Ray fight he got knocked down tells the story here. He obviously therefore has never seen Ray prior to Kevin Howard ( who he fought after how long out of the ring due to a detached retina ? 18 months 2 years ? ). He also must have missed the Hagler fight too , did the marvelous one hit as hard as Norris ? So you based your opinion of Leonard on Howard, Norris, Hearns 2, Lalonde and Camacho. All of these fights took place after the version of Leonard everyone here says creams chinny Norris.


End of Story

ps i can send you some dvds of Leonard if you like ?

How many times was Norris down in his career ? More times than hegot up i know that ?

 

Duran was past his best as well in the third fight. Yes, had a great performance against Barkley in his previous fight but that was the last great performance of his career. He didn't have a single noteworthy win after Barkley. Also, I've never heard you give Leonard credit for beating Duran in their third fight since you believe Duran wasn't past it himself. The Leonard who fought Norris was still capable of beating ordinary fighters at that point in his career, but was no longer capable of beating the elite fighters in the world, like Norris. '81 Leonard was a different story.

 

I've seen plenty of ray. he was a really good fighter.

But.... Xplosive and others are saying Ray can't be hurt by Norris or at least not enough to keep him honest.

but due to several fights I've seen him in, that statement has proven to be false.

A smallish clubfighter like Howard downing him necessarily means that Norris would surely tame Leonard and do so quickly, just like he did in their fight.

On the other hand, where was leonard's vaunted power in the Geraldo fight in 79? Where was his superior chin too? Why was he floundering around the ring from a lightweight the following year?

You know what Terry would have done to him that night...or any night.

As for Hagler in 1987, do you really think he had anything left at this point in his career?

Somebody please send this man some Hagler DVD's

 

Hmm, lets see a who`s who of greats, which group do we pick. Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler. Or this hall of fame group, Mullings, Brown, Boudani,Rosenblatt. Tough call huh???? And I guess we can say Hagler is featherfisted as well because he couldn`t stop Geraldo. There is a HUGE difference between being knocked down, and being knocked out...

 

Credibility gets shot when one says that Benitez was ordinary...

 

Great chance of it. Moore was a warrior and had the chin, heart and determination to leave Norris on his back. Moore was a very solid puncher and took it much much better than Norris. It would turn to war this one, and when push come to shove Moore's durability would quite possibly prevail.

 

Still haven't given the proof I asked for and really just repeating yourself. Fact is, you have none.

Ray couldnt knock out Geraldo so why should I believe he'd knock out Terry, a man who got the better of him?

When do I get my answer? Ask Xplosive, maybe he knows

Now for Ray Leonard. He was a real talent I would have liked to see him fight more but he chose not to. He could have defended his titles at 154 and 160 but didnt. I am confident that Micheal Nunn would have toppled him from his perch shortly after winning the title and destroyed him physically.

But leonard didnt want you to see it happen.

Hagler? What did Hagler have left? Nothing

And Benitez never impressed me. Good chin, small heart.

He didnt have enough heart to win the tough fights the way Norris did. He lost to Curry and Weston both but got to keep his title but in reality he wasn't unbeaten by the time Ray got to him. I already knew he could be beat. So what if Ray beat him too?

Hearns was only 145 which greatly compromised his strength and power, not to mention late round stamina. But it still didnt keep him from boxing Sugar Ray silly, just as Norris would have done. Give Tommy 3 more years maturity and 8 more pounds and the fight has a different outcome-like Louis Schmeling 1 & 2.

Duran was really a lightweight and still won.

Norris has names on his own resume which include Leonard himself, Curry, Mugabi, Brown, & Taylor

 

I fixed your post for you John.

 

What about Hagler? He couldn't stop Geraldo either, yet you talk up his power as if he the the middleweight version of Tyson. How the hell could Hagler stop Hopkins, as you have said before, if he couldn't stop Geraldo?

He choose not to defend his WBA jr middleweight title he won from Kalule because he happened to have a superfight with Hearns on his menu. And at the time that was a tougher and more meaningful fight on paper than defending his jr middleweight title.

Nothing? Hagler won the fight in your opinion, so he must have had something left.

No skills or credentials either? What about his defense and boxing ability? If a prime Hagler had Benitez on his record, be rest assured you would be talking him up to the mountain tops.

Hearns has categorically stated that he never had problems with the weight and he was fine. Just watch the start of the 14th round and you'll see Hearms on his toes, moving, pumping the jab, and showing no signs of being a spent force up until Leonard catches him along the ropes.

Duran may well have been a natural lightweight, true. But he had skills and good strength as a welterweight. He also had 2 years to somewhat grow into the weight.

Mugabi was finished in 1990 and wasn't the same fighter he had been in the early-mid 80's. Curry was operating on around 50% when he faced Norris. Taylor was a natural light-welterweight, who as everyone knows, wasn't the same after Chavez ruined him. Brown? Nothing more than a decent operator at world level.

 

:-(

You're beginning to sound like JT. Look at your picture of Tommy. he doesnt look very healthy.

 

Thank god that only one of your kind exists around these shores. :good

 

That's it! I'm fed up with your bullsh*t! I'm leaving ESB

 

Rooster you make me chuckle, you say Hagler was shot for Leonard, yet give Norris credit for beating Curry and Mugabe.

NONE of Leonards knockdowns occured prior to his first retirement when he was at his peak. Norris was sparked before, during and at the end of his peak.

You cannot get proof in a 'theoretical' matchup , but you sound deluded.

 

Duran an all-time great(just a lightweight?) and Benitez a phenom(just an ordinary guy with no chin?) Face it Norris had NO chin, and stood a GOOd chance of being KO`d by every viable jr. middle in history...Boxing skill doesn`t make up for fine china chin...