Terry Norris .Vs. Ray Leonard ('81 Version).

Stunning a fighter is different from a knock out. Don't try to change your tune.

And you said "I don't think Leonard has the kind of power guaranteed to stun Norris" And thats just ridiculous.

A prime Leonard has enough power to have Norris all over the place and down, and probably out.

 

I'm not changing my tune. Leonard does not have the kind of power guaranteed to stun Norris. He doesn't now, nor has he ever. He might stun Norris. He might knock Norris out. There is no guarantee that he has the power to do so.

 

C'mon man, Norris was badly hurt by a Simon Brown jab.His chin was crap.

that he could hurt Norris is as much of a solid guarantee as anything in the sport.

 

A guarantee at what?
If it were such a guarantee, why didn't it happen the second time Norris faced Brown? Some of you must really devalue the word guarantee. Where did I say Norris had a good chin?

Leonard did **** all at 154. Norris is one of the junior middleweight division's best. Who had the better career, who defeated the better competition, who was better at their highest regarded weights, who was better pound for pound; are all different arguments.

 

Robbi you need to bring your understanding of the game higher than this. For one thing, Norris takes most everything on the gloves. For another, he ususally moves away from the punch as it's delivered, and if Terry ever gets in any kind of difficulty he simply ties Ray up to clear his head. This is what happened in the actual fight and if you failed to catch it then you weren't watching the action closely enough.

Strange that people are aware of Duran's defense-that mostly he did not take blows flush but fail to see the same thing when it applies to a less popular fighter.

As for prime leonard and his power, I recall Ray unloading almost at will on a diminutive Kevin Howard.

Was Kevin all over the place? :tong

Was Ayub Kalule all over the place? A stationary target if I ever saw one

Was glass chinned marcos Geraldo all over the place? Not down even once. :nono


prime Leonard vs. prime Norris-result: Norris U15 Leonard

debate over. :tong

 

I'll go flat out on a limb on this one. I'm putting my cards firmly on the table, for sure. I would put my life savings on knowledgable posters on here siding with me and completely disagreeing with you. I'll have the confidence to name them. MDWC, Stonehands89, The Cobra, Sweet Pea, and JohnThomas. Infact, I'm calling them out. This isn't an old friends act either.

"I don't think Leonard has the kind of power guaranteed to stun Norris"

Who agrees or disagrees with this? It makes matters even worse when he said Norris "didn't have the greatest of chins"

Precise meaning of 'stun': To daze or render senseless, by or as if by a blow.

You are somewhat showing unsureness with the following "He might stun Norris. He might knock Norris out"

 

Yes you are. You said that Leonard doesn't have the power guaranteed to stun Norris. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the power to knock him out. It means wobble him, temporarily scattering his senses or buckling him momentarily. All three are more or less from the same cloth, just worded different.

Yet you say here "I'm sure you saw what Jackson did to Norris. Ray Leonard does not have that kind of power" But Jackson knocked him out, which surpasses the effects of being stunned by a large margin.

 

Oh my god, Robbi, get a ****ing grip.

When are you going to embolden the typo part of my post that preceded that which so infuriated you? Why don't you call on all sensible posters to point that part out for you.

Definition of stun, according to Robbi: "...to render senseless..."

Definition of guarantee: A guaranty for the execution, completion, or existence of something.

Where is your guarantee, Robbi? It's based on opinion.

 

Your response IMO was the sensitive one with "Oh my god, Robbi, get a ****ing grip"

Infuriated? Hardly. Your opinion is weak, extremely. I can handle you on my own and don't need help from anyone else. But I thought I'd highlight the others I mentioned to have their say, just to show your opinion up even more. If they decided to side with you, fine.

Norris has a weak chin and has been stunned and knocked out by fighters with less power than Leonard, yet you say a prime Leonard "doesn't have the power guaranteed to stun Norris" I repeat "stun"

You even gave yourself egg on the face with this one "Hearns has the power guaranteed to stun Norris" Doesn't he have the enough power to go one better and knock him down or possibly knock him out?

If you think a prime Leonard stunning Norris isn't a sure thing, god help you. It's ludicrious as you clearly underrate Leonard's power. He wasn't a Whitaker type hitter in a "pound for pound" sense, trust me. Simon Brown and later Keith Mullings never punched like Leonard. Waters even had Norris on his ass.

Your reasoning behind your call lacks weight.

You are living in a bubble.

 

Simon was surely a much stronger puncher than Ray Leonard. He was built for power

 

Lesser punchers were able to stun Norris, all Ray would have to do is land a clean shot to at the very least stun Norris. To suggest that Leonard didn't have the power to hurt Norris if he landed cleanly is pretty much a laughable assertion. Is it a 100% guarantee the Leonard lands a clean shot? Well, I guess not, but then again nothing is really a 100% guaranteed in boxing, and prime Leonard "Sunning" Norris at some point is one very likely scenario.

 

Whats he going to tell us next, Lewis stunning Norton wouldn't be guaranteed if he landed on him. Obviously it's all guess work, with stronger arguements than others behind each guess.

Someone could have the opinion that a prime Joe Louis stunning Tommy Morrison isn't guaranteed. Fair enough

He admits Norris has a weak chin, yet it's not guaranteed that a prime Leonard would even stun him. It takes a lot to make me laugh behind a PC screen, but thats what I'm doing right now.

 

it seems as if people here are saying that Ray can hurt Terry but that Terry cannot hurt Ray

Ray had his chances but was too busy catching leather.

Even when Ray landed his best shots Terry shrugged them off. Round 2 and end of round 11. I know because I studied the film. Few others outside of Iceveins and myself have. Ray really loaded up on the hook to the ribs but to no effect

 

Don't buy into their nonsense. Proof is on our side, not theirs. Let's put it this way: Who wound up tasting canvas, Ray or Terry?

Terry never even blinked!

Ray could never hurt Terry. And even less, he could never hope to knock him out. If they fought ten times, he couldnt knock him out.

 

Norris cannot be above Hearns. Tho his time was short wins over the rejuvenated Ruan (in incredible fashion) and ATG Benitez for no losses put him a cut above.