Testing for Mosely mean nothing

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  1. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Testing what a joke! http://www.tharc.com/hgh-test.html Human Growth Hormone (HGH) - HGH Testing

    Is HGH Testing a good idea for sports?

    That's the revelation provided by Jason Grimsley , the former Arizona Diamondbacks reliever who, according to federal agents, admitted to using human growth hormone(HGH)and singled out players he accuses of using the banned performance-enhancing drug.

    Major League Baseball doesn't test for HGH. The International Olympic Committee brags it has had an HGH test since before the 2004 Olympics, but that is semantics.

    Yes, there is a blood test for HGH. But because antibodies necessary for the process are in such short supply, virtually no HGH testing is conducted. In addition, the test only detects HGH right after injection so it's impractical for in-competition testing. As a result, there never has been an HGH positive test that is accurate.

    There have been just a couple hundred HGH tests, according to experts such as Christine Ayotte, head of the Montreal Olympic-testing lab, and Gary Wadler, a physician and author who has advised the World Anti-Doping Agency.

    "We know growth hormone is a problem," Ayotte said. "No sport is testing currently for HGH, because (the test) is not available. If the test kit was available, it would only be effective for out-of-competition testing."

    Ayotte said MLB is taking a bad rap for its lack of HGH testing: "We can't accuse them for not testing for growth hormone when nobody is."

    WADA has contracted with a company to produce more antibodies for the test. "We've been promised kits for 16 months but haven't seen them," Ayotte said.

    MLB has committed $450,000 over three years to Don Catlin's UCLA lab for the development of a urine test.

    "Good luck," Ayotte said. "Our hopes for urine are really very limited." Wadler said there are such minute amounts of HGH in urine that "there's next to nothing to work with."

    The best way to bust athletes may be through criminal investigations like the IRS launched against Grimsley and the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative that produced allegations against the Giants' Barry Bonds , the Yankees' Jason Giambi and other athletes.

    "Considering what happened to Grimsley, anyone that took steroids probably is having a few sleepless nights. It sounds like the FBI may be knocking on a few more doors in the near future," said 26-year sports agent Alan Meersand, who formerly represented such stars as Ken Caminiti, Lenny Dykstra, Manny Ramirez , Travis Fryman and Jesse Orosco.

    Grimsley was pressured to reveal names, according to his agent, Joe Bick. The search warrant affidavit released this week included several names that were blacked out.

    "The attorney called me and said, 'Here's the ultimatum they just gave us: Either cooperate or we're going to ruin your life,' " said Bick, who said Grimsley would be paid the remainder of his $825,000 salary after being released by the Diamondbacks on Wednesday.

    Is Grimsley cooperating with authorities, and did he divulge names?
    "There's a misperception out there," Bick said. "If you've got a guy giving you the information you want, the affidavit never would have shown up. Nobody would have known anything about it."

    Bick also said Grimsley most likely has pitched his last game: "He's obviously upset and embarrassed and hates the fact that it's drawn this kind of attention to himself and his family. But he's stand-up about it and admitted his involvement was wrong."


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  2. boxon123

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    the test only detects HGH right after injection so it's impractical for in-competition testing. As a result, there never has been an HGH positive test that is accurate.
     
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  3. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    its time for a change, boxers get away with to much **** and you only find out in the end.its time for a change, take the test !
     
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  4. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    DO U NOT UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO TEST THAT WORKS >. **** me
     
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  5. Boxing Fanatic

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    I hope Mosley is on something. It will help him kick Mayweather's punk ass. He will need all the help he can get to beat Floyd.
     
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  6. Twirdman

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    Are you stupid or did you just not read the article. Test for HGH right now are a feel good thing. The fact that no one has been caught even though there have been people who admit to using shows you something.

    I mean let the line sink in no one has ever been caught by testing of using HGH. So besides this feel good think, whats the point in testing. Yeah you can pretend the sport is clean, but your not really cleaning it up your just pretending and that is pointless.
     
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  7. boxon123

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    Part of the problem with testing for HGH, Uryasz said, is the limited detection time (48 hours). Additionally, some people regard blood tests as more invasive (though less potentially embarrassing) and certainly more expensive than a urine test.

    Other issues Wilfert identified with HGH testing include more extensive training and certification procedures for collectors and the possibility of legal challenges. Because no one has tested positive for the substance, no one has launched a legal challenge as precedent.

    “Usually, you don’t see widespread testing (for a particular substance) until there’s been a positive test result and it’s gone through the legal processes,” Uryasz said. THEY CLAIM THEY HAVE A TEST BUT NO ONE HAS BEEN CAUGHT>HELLO
     
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  8. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    **** Off, if you are clean take the test ! if you can fight dirty and still pass the test ? then guess what TAKE THE ****ING TEST.
    either way you look at it, take the damn test.
    that way the mega fights can get made, you get it now.

    if you are clean or if you can beat the test (at least you think that) then take it, be done with it and get in the ring to whoop ass.when you dont want to take it some will wonder.theres no more room for wondering in these type of fights.

    if you take it cant know one say **** to you about ****, let you tell the story they can be dirty and still pass it, well then take it and shut the **** up.get in the ring and whoops ass.whats the Problem :huh

    you clean or you can pass it reguardless.like i said TAKE THE DAMN TEST
    SO THE FIGHT CAN HAPPEN :good
     
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  9. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you stupid, if all it takes is some random test that you can pass clean or not, then take the ****er so the fight can be made.um hellooooooooooo anybody home haters.

    that way you pass the test, no one can say anything and you still can get in the ring with your superman ass.**** what is with the dick heads on esb :huh
     
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  10. PH|LLA

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    it seems more and more clear that the tests Pac agreed to would have been every bit as effective as the tests Floyd wanted to go through with.
     
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  11. Twirdman

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    This is moronic to the highest degree I have ever heard. It is probably one of the stupidest, inane comments I have ever read.

    Now lets go over why, the first most obvious is its not at all related to whats being talked about in that you bring up refusing a test when the question is is the test at all useful. Two and perhaps more importantly what would be the point in conducting the test if it could prove nothing. Why would any fighter, lets go with Pac since that's most assuredly is who you are focusing on, bother with the test if it can't prove anything. Why would Mayweather request the test if it can't prove anything. I mean honestly this is the equivalent of giving out a test and then giving everyone the answer cheat, it doesn't prove who's smarter so there is no point in administering the test.

    So again why should this testing be done if it doesn't prove anything. Say Manny takes the test and it comes back clean, it won't stop anyone from saying he's using so why should he bother if he thinks there are any negative side effects. He would be trading something for nothing that's a horrible idea.
     
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  12. platnumpapi

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    ****** undersatnd you and a few other haters say the test dont work, but people and fighters who know more about the **** then you do think it does work.if the only thing stoping the biggest fight ever is a random test, that a fighter feels he can pass regardless of being clean or not then you take it.

    that is not rocket science, if was on some **** and could pass a test with no problem and still use it.oh im taking the ****ing test asap 10x, and if im clean im taking the test.i think the **** does work and fighters will get caught in the process.but if it can find anything then you can take the test and still be superman in the ring.its a win ****ing win dumb ass hater.

    TAKE THE TEST, TAKE THE TEST, TAKE THE TEST, TAKE THE TEST.
    whats the problem you gone pass it anyways right :good
    ok then, take it get 10 million for stoping mayweather, become p4p 1 and anything else that you have coming.

    CASE CLOSED take the test, you can pass it anyways.if they want a test ill give them a test, pass it and still be on my superman ****.you get it now.or you still want to argue this simple simon ****.bye hater :hi:
     
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  13. maracho

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    Plus, GBP's main partner the Anschutz corporation (AEG) has had big time business associations with USADA and Tygart in the past.
    http://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=3397

    It wouldnt be that hard for GBP to corrupt the few bigwigs in charge of PED detection. USADA is the court and Tygart is the arbitrator. Don Catlin is basically still in charge of the biggest labs but his private lab is in hot competition to come up with the latest and greatest detecting devises which cost a pretty penny. "Catlin estimates that it cost as much as $500,000 for his team to develop a test for the BALCO steroid THG. Machines start at $80,000. To thoroughly vet one athlete once can run up to $2,000."

    Oh and just look at the USADA cover ups and controversies in the Floyd Landis (an American) affair.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=uMU...tygart&f=false
     
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  14. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    However, this a very interesting fight and I say Mosley will KO Floyd but then I also thought Marquez was going to beat Floyd too
     
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  15. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you thought jmm was going to beat mayweather :D
    i need boxing buddies like you, so i can win some money.
     
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