TFFP's Mega Best punches/defence/everything in the sport today

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TFFP, Jun 11, 2011.


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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Top 5 only ladies. No honorable mentions. Discuss obviously, just no ****y honorable mentions in your final lists. I'm going to do this like a mirror image, a left hook for an orthodox fighter is the same skill as a right hook for a southpaw etc.

    Bodywork is going to be one category except for jab to the body because that skill isn't heavily utilized. Whereas every man and his dog pounds away to the body, so rather than breaking it down into individual components its just going to be that way. I'm not going to break it down into individual counterpunches either like a cross, its simply going to be counterpunching as a whole category or it gets a bit silly.

    Let me know if there is anything crucial I left out and I'll consider it.

    Punches
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    Jab:

    Jab to the body:

    Left-hook (right-hook for southpaw):

    Right-hook (left-hook for a southpaw):

    Straight right hand (left hand for southpaw)

    Uppercut:

    Bodywork:

    Counterpunching:


    Athletic gifts/miscellaneous
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    Speed:

    Stamina:

    Strength:

    Power:

    Chin:

    Heart:

    Last but not least, equally as important as every punch listed combined.....

    Defence:
     
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  2. Ramón

    Ramón Guest

    yOU FORgot ring-generalship and clean, effective punching.
     
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  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I'll certainly consider ring generalship if other people agree with that omission.

    I would have thought clean effective punching is sort of implicit within the punches section. You wouldn't include anybody that isn't clean and effective with those punches. Well, unless you're a bit weird. I suppose it could be 'accuracy'. If people want that as well so be it.
     
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  4. White Tiger

    White Tiger Boxing Addict banned

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    TFFPs thread title but can you put in brackets (sponsered by GazOC) ?
     
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  5. White Tiger

    White Tiger Boxing Addict banned

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    Pretty Boy Glamour Image should be in there ?

    A toss up between Haye and Enzo.
     
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  6. Ramón

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    You can have the best hook in the business if it is devastating whenever you hit the target and still only hit the target with it 1/10. Or, you may have the most accurate hook in the business and not be devastating with it and still be considered the best hooker in the business.

    Power is important but so is accuracy.
     
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Punches
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    Jab: Mayweather (when he uses it), Wlad

    Jab to the body: Mayweather (when he uses it), El Chocolito

    Left-hook (right-hook for southpaw): Rafa, JuanMa, Donaire, Gamboa

    Right-hook (left-hook for a southpaw): Pacquiao, Segura

    Straight right hand (left hand for southpaw) B-Hop

    Uppercut: JMM

    Bodywork: Cant think

    Counterpunching: JMM, Mayweather, Calderon,


    Athletic gifts/miscellaneous
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    Speed: Gamboa

    Stamina: JMM, Katsidas,

    Strength: Guerrero, Vitali, Segura

    Power: Segura, Abraham, Donaire

    Chin: Salido, Johnson, Hopkins

    Heart: JMM

    Last but not least, equally as important as every punch listed combined.....

    Defence: Hopkins, FMJ, Calderon
     
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  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    True, but I still think its sort of implied in this context. How can you really have the 'best' left-hook if its staggeringly inaccurate or **** weak? Thats either a very weak left-hook or nothing but raw power. It's a mix of everything we're looking for, presumably, but everyone is going to have their own criteria I suppose. I expected debates to arise about the way I formatted it.
     
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  9. Ramón

    Ramón Guest

    You need to add right and left hook to the body.
     
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  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I'm gonna do mine one at a time rather than off the cuff. I'm going to go down every division and look at each candidate and make some proper decisions instead of posting the shite I usually do. Starting with the key punch in boxing - the jab.
     
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  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    My top five's aren't in any order, just who I think the five best are.

    Jab: Wlad Klitschko, Donaire, Kessler(;)), Narvaez, Ward

    Jab to the body: Mayweather, Ward, Narvaez, Calderon, Mijares

    Lead-hook (right-hook for southpaw): Juanma, Donaire, Gamboa, Mayweather, W Klitschko

    Rear-hook (left-hook for a southpaw): Pac, Narvaez, Darchinyan, Segura, Miguel Acosta

    Straight right hand (left hand for southpaw): Randall Bailey, Denis Lebedev, Toshiaki Nishioka, Mijares, Hopkins

    Uppercut: JMM, Bute, Judah, Chocolaitito, Donaire

    Bodywork: Bradley, Poonsawat, Salido, Cazares, Bute

    Counterpunching: Mayweather, Calderon, Mijares, Narvaez, JMM


    Athletic gifts/miscellaneous
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    Speed: Gamboa, Donaire, Martinez, Khan, Rigo

    Stamina: Williams, Rios, Ward, Bradley, Narvaez

    Strength: Rios, Segura, Seda, W Klitschko, Ponce de Leon

    Power: Bailey(right hand), Lebedev(short left hand), Bute(rear uppercut), Donaire(left hook), Segura(at light-fly)

    Chin: McCall, Orlando Salido, Abraham, Agbeko, Johnson

    Heart: Katsidis, Acosta, Bradley, Arce, Mijares


    Defence: Mayweather, Hopkins, Calderon, Narvaez, Mijares

    As you can tell, I got a bit stuck on a couple of occasions and just stuck anyone down to make 5. I've hit a complete mental block on the subject of lead hooks and just stuck Klitschko down to make up the numbers.
     
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  12. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    :bbb I've got ganja memory, so I've forgot some obvious ones. A decent effort if I do say though! :yep
     
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  13. BoxingAnalyst

    BoxingAnalyst Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    James Degale is the greatest fighter that has and will ever live, end thread.
     
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  14. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    I hate it when jpab get's in there before me :twisted:
     
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  15. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    And does a better job than you....;)
     
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