Thad Spencer 'Whats a Guy Have to do get a Shot at Clay'

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    Regardless,

    The Associated Press scoring meant nothing, in regards to the 'sanctioning body'.

    Sports Illustrated (Mark Kram) had Ernie Terrell ahead by 1-Point after 7-Rounds also.
    But scored the last 5-Rounds for Thad Spencer.

    Whether you agree or not, Thad Spencer fought an 'intelligent fight', and nearly
    broke the 6' 6" 'ambling giant' in half several times.

    Terrell was wheezing by the end of Round 9, and did everthing he could to dance and
    circle, as his lower ribs were 'smashed' by Spencer.

    Had the bout been scheduled for 15-Rounds, it would be hard to see Ernie lasting it
    out, as his legs were 'rubberized' by Thad in Round 11. The right hand that Thad landed
    at the 2:48 Mark of Round 11, numbed Terrell as his legs started to go.

    A 'tired and wobbly' Terrell barely made it though Round 12.

    By the way, Sports Action, Inc. (the promoters) listed Ernie Terrell as a 2-1 Favorite
    to win the tournament. He was by far, the 'heavy favorite'.
     
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  2. Lord Tywin

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    Yeah and I guess all that mattered in Pac-Bradley was the judges scorecards right?

    Are you denying that Terrell gave Spencer far more problems than he gave Ali?

    You have got to be the most biased, deluded poster on this forum.

    I cant wait for your post on why Buster Mathis and Jimmy Ellis should have won the decision over Ali or why Ali should have fought have some other obscure heavyweight contender as opposed to one of the multitude of greats he actually did fight and beat.

    Betting parlors and bookmakers list odds, not promoters. Those odds arent static, they can change from day to day and from parlor to parlor. The day of the fight odds were quoted as close as 5 to 8 and 3 to 5. He may very well have opened at 2 to 1 but the most accurate odds are typically quoted just before the fight and those were the figures listed above.

    The promoters may have published odds of 2 to 1 that they quoted from other source but at the point the question is where did they get those and when where they posted?

    Furthermore, if Thad Spencer had been a 2 to 1 underdog wouldnt that just go to prove that he wasnt very highly regarded and certainly not in the same class as a man who just dominated the guy you are a 2 to 1 underdog against? It kinda goes to show you that shot your own argument in the foot.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    A knockdown is a knockdown, if a fighter, as a result of a punch,touches the canvas with any other part of his body, other than his feet, it is a kd.

    I don't know why you are so doggedly pursuing this , but you have yet to convince one single poster of the validity of your claim.


    You're in a hole, stop digging!!!!
     
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  4. mcvey

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    Thad Spencer ,in 1967 had his work cut out sqeaking by Terrell ,a man whom Ali had given a comprehensive thrashing 6 months earlier.

    "Earth to Pepe ,come in".
     
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  5. Collie

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    :deal
     
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  6. Senor Pepe'

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    Some of you are correct,,,,,but others are lost.

    Thad Spencer 'a west-coast fighter' was getting alot of press on the 'west coast'.

    True, he was not highly regarded in the east, as all of his bouts were in California
    and Las Vegas.

    Nobody really knew that much about him, but that doesn't mean he wasn't qualified
    as a 'worthy challenger'.

    Judge, Chris Jordan scored the bout 116-110, which is probably the proper score.
    In Rounds that is (7-4-1), with Thad earning a {10-8} in Round 2, and a {10-7} in Round 10.

    As for avoiding Thad Spencer, Cassius Clay after signing a contract to fight Thad
    on May 1967 - then signed to fight Oscar Bonavena on May 27th, then
    Floyd Patterson for April 25th.

    Sounds like a Champion who was 'lost', or maybe couldn't comprehend what he was
    signing. He did have 'two' names.
     
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  7. Stevie G

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    At this time,Ali's future in the ring was uncertain. Contracts and plans for fights were being made regularly. So things got a trifle disorganised. At this juncture,Muhammad had become the best that anyone had seen of him,so there was no reason why he should have been wary of Spencer or any other fighter,and I don't believe that he was.
     
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  8. Senor Pepe'

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    March 23, 1967

    Hayden Covington, Cassius Clay's Attorney in New York, signed
    contracts to fight Thad Spencer in San Francisco, on Saturday April 29, 1966.

    Two contracts were forwarded, with different fight purses for the
    Champion Cassius Clay.

    At the same time, negotiations for bouts with Floyd Patterson and
    Oscar Bonavena were on-going.

    Promoter, Al Bolan threw in Floyd Patterson for April 25, 1967 to
    Hayden Covington, who said yes.

    Then Oscar Bonavena for Tokyo on May 27, 1967 was ready to go.

    Thad Spencer, who was supposed to fight first, was then pushed back
    to 8-weeks after Oscar Bonavena, for a proposed date in late-July.
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    Again, is Pepe actually arguing that Spencer would've given Ali problems or that Ali was scared of him? Everyone seems to feel that's the case but I'm not seeing any of that at all.

    As for the fight I felt Spencer won it by a couple of points. I think Ali would've dealt with Spencer whenever he wanted to.
     
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  10. Flea Man

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    Pepe himself has quoted Terrell as saying he'd never even heard of Spencer. Hardly building him into Superman, is he?
     
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  11. Stevie G

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    I reckon Spencer would have lasted until the sixth or seventh.
     
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  12. Flea Man

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    Yeah, that's fair IMO.
     
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  13. Senor Pepe'

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    New York Daily News

    Ernie Terrell's long range left jab (82" reach) gave Thad Spencer some trouble in Rounds 5 and 6.

    But the young 'muscular' Spencer was able to slide under the left jab and Terrells 7' reach advantage,
    and wear down the 'ambling giant' with hard left hooks to the head and body.

    The 'west coast' Heavyweight showed off some of the 'fastest' right hand counters we have ever seen.

    In Round 11, Thad staggered Terrell with a crushing left hook at the 0:41 Mark, which had the former
    WBA Champion on rubbery legs. And then with moments left in the Round, Spencer pounded a rib-crunching right
    hand to Terrell's left side, which hurt Ernie bad and him ready to crash to the canvas for the 'second time' in the bout.

    It was a 'one-sided' win for the young Californian.

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  14. Flea Man

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    The controversy of this thread seems to stem from the title.

    If it was just called 'Thad Spencer' no one would've even come in here.
     
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  15. Lord Tywin

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    Thats exactly what hes saying:

    "Thad Spencer, in 1967, had the tools and the experience to handle Cassius Clay."
     
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