Thad Spencer 'Whats a Guy Have to do get a Shot at Clay'

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You just never know......on a given night....anything can happen in boxing
    (Maybe that was the reason Chuck Wepner nearly went 15 rds with Ali)

    Maybe Spencer might have pulled an Ali victory off.
     
  2. Senor Pepe'

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    Longsoldier,


    Mr. Adam Heach,

    Thanks for joining, looking forward to your book.

    I know Thad Spencer was using the San Jacinto training camp in 1966, and from
    all accounts, he was supposed to be in 'perfect shape' just before and right after
    the October 1966 fight with Doug Jones, a rock hard 197 lbs.

    The bout with Cassius Clay was almost a go for January 1967, and in London, but it
    fell through.

    Then there was the possibility of Thad fighting Floyd Patterson in February 1967.

    But both bouts fell through, and Thad sat around until June 1967.
     
  3. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mr Heach, i will certainly keep an eye out for the book.

    I will also give you an appraisal :D.

    Joking aside, it sounds very interesting. The type of reading i like to get my teeth into. Thanks for the heads up:good
     
  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Thanks for your input.
     
  5. Longsoldier

    Longsoldier Adam Heach Full Member

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    By all means, do post your appraisals, and reader's reviews, on Amazon and elsewhere. Primarily I write fiction, so this was a labor of love for me. Every bit of publicity (hopefully positive) helps. At the end of the day, I am just another boxing fan, missing the old days. Poor Thad. These days he's in the grips of dementia puglisticia. He wanted so badly to redeem himself, both as a fighter and a human being.
     
  6. Longsoldier

    Longsoldier Adam Heach Full Member

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    Senor Pepe, you know your boxing history. In early '67, Spencer was in great shape, but idle. Manager Wilie Ketchum, hedging his bets, pulled Thad out of his contracted bout with ex-champ Floyd Patterson, and waited for Herbert Muhammad, Ali's manager, to call with the long waited for offer of a title bout. It was a long wait. This was extraordinary bad managment on the part of Ketchum. Had Thad beaten Floyd in January of that year (and what a wonderful match up, by the way), and I believe he would, that phone would have rung a lot sooner. As it sat, had Ali not been stripped of the title, Spencer was third in line for a shot at the crowd, not first. Ali and Thad got to know each other quite well; unfortunate for Spencer, this was mostly outside the ring.
     
  7. Senor Pepe'

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    Here's Another

    Monday Night - May 2, 1966

    Kings Hall, Belle Vue - Manchester, United Kingdom

    Attendance; 5000

    Thad Spencer takes on his second British Heavyweight in two-weeks. This time
    Thad faces 31 year-old - Brian London 'The Blackpool Rock'.

    Thad Spencer, the 6' 1/2" 197 lb. - 23 year-old American is now the #6 WBA heavyweight,
    and posts a record of 30-4-0 (14 KO's), and is on the verge of a World Heavyweight
    Championship bout.

    The 31 year-old British veteran, is ranked as the #18 WBA Heavyweight, and posts a
    34-12-0 (26 KO's) record. The 6' 0" 198 lb. 'lantern-jawed' heavyweight is still a
    rough customer, but is in no way one of the Top-Flight Heavyweights on the scene today.

    The Fight

    Right from the out-set, Thad Spencer 'unmercifully' batters Brian London with left and rights, and
    has the Brit in trouble, in both the 1st and 2nd Rounds.

    London does stem the tide a bit in Round 3, as he rocks the American, with several right hands,
    but Spencer re-groups and continues with his combination punching.

    In Round 5, Spencer cuts London's left eye with a hard right hand, and continues to work
    on the damaged eye with sharp short left hands.

    In Round 6, Spencer rocks London with a hard right-left, then 'staggers' the Englishman with a
    hard-right, who then reels along the ropes. Spencer then opens a cut above London's right eye
    with a hard left hook, as he continues to batter the Englishman.

    In Round 7, Thad Spencer slows pace, to catch his 'second wind', as London lands several
    lefts to steal the Round.

    In Round 8, Spencer picks up the pace, and again rocks London with a right-left, and has the
    Englishman in serious trouble. Spencer follows up with hard punches and opens up another cut,
    this time under the right eye. Referee Bill Williams is on the verge of the stopping the onslaught,
    but does allow the bout to continue.

    In Rounds 9 and 10, Spencer backs off, and just works on London with short hard left hands,
    while staying away from any desperate and wild home-run swings from the veteran heavyweight.

    Thad Spencer wins the 10-Round Decision, and improves to 31-4-0.

    The Associated Press scored the bout 8-2-0 for Thad Spencer.

    Fight Purse;
    Thad Spencer ($30,000 in U.S. Dollars)

    Following this bout, Thad Spencer, unable to secure a bout with Heavyweight Champion
    Cassius Clay, returned back to San Francisco, California.

    As for Brian London, 3-months later on August 16, 1966 - he recieved $112,000 (U.S. Dollars) in
    his challenge for the World Heavyweight Championship with Champion - Cassius Clay.
     
  8. jowcol

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    I've read and read here but...no way an early 67' Thad beats Floyd. Despite the Ingo clock shot in '59 and Sonny's beat down (Floyd was STILL rising despite Sonny saying he'd NEVER hit anyone harder) you're saying Spencer stops him?
    I repeat, Ali would have draped Thad or Amos over the ropes within 5-7 rounds
    in early '67. Not to mention Thad went 0-7-1 after the Quarry stoppage. And let's not forget the 68-69 supposedly great fight (not available?) in London where Leotis Martin (a much better pugilist who should better have a thread here) impressively stopped Spencer.
    Head demons? Drugs? IMO just another fighter who could have been.
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    Jowcol,

    Stay on topic with the proper year discussed.

    1966
    Thad Spencer was 'miles' better than George Chuvalo, Henry Cooper, Brian London or
    Karl Mildenberger, and he proved he was better than Ernie Terrell.

    1967
    It was Floyd Patterson who did 'not' want to fight Thad Spencer in early-1967,
    especially on the west coast.

    In 1967, Jerry Quarry was the 'easier' opponent for Floyd, and Floyd won neither
    of those '2' bouts.
     
  10. Senor Pepe'

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    May 1966

    Boxing Illustrated voted Thad Spencer as their 'Fighter of the Month'.


    British Boxing writer, Donald Saunders of the London Daily;

    'The only way to beat Cassius Clay is for a fighter to have both speed and
    power. The only fighter out there who has both, is American Thad Spencer.
    I have seen him fight twice here, and he showed me both.'


    British Boxing writer, George Whiting, London Evening;

    'Cassius Clay is as fast as a Lightweight, he hits and is gone in a flash. I've
    only seen two fighters who can stay with him, and both are American's.
    Thad Spencer and Amos Lincoln.'
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Make a thread about Leotis Martin then. Pepe's threads aren't about 'this guy was the best' more shining a light on less discussed/appreciated fighters.
     
  12. Lord Tywin

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    No his threads are about denigrating more popular, greater fighters by trying to rewrite history by taking a bunch of old articles out of context.

    In regards to Brian London, yes Ali defended against London (and he was indeed being called Ali by this point, not "Kid Clay" but between november of 1965 and november of 1966 he fought seven times, by far more than any previous heavyweight champion. Do you also realize that all of the men he defended against, with the exception of London, during that time were rated in the top ten? Are you going to pretend he cant take gimme?

    You keep changing when Ali should have fought Spencer. First it was 1966/67. Then it was 1965 when Ali defended against Patterson (who was rated above Spencer at the time). Now its 1966 again. Why dont you stick with one imaginary date that Ali should have fought Spencer?

    Its already been admitted here that in 1967 Spencer pulled out of a fight with Patterson. You say Patterson avoided Spencer in favor of fighting an easier fight with Quarry (which you say he didnt win either) and yet ignore that those fights were razor thin and that Quarry actually stopped Spencer. So why act like Quarry was a weaker challenge than Spencer? Did Spencer suddenly get past his prime over night at the age of 25 in what was essentially his best run? Then you post an article where they admit Spencer couldnt fight earlier than April 66 because he had cut that was healing and then ignore that when Ali signed to face London Spencer was still healing from a bad cut received in the McMurray fight. Well, what is it?
     
  13. Senor Pepe'

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    OK Fellow Thread Followers,

    We have a confirmed 'Nut Hugger' following this thread,,,,,,,,,,,Lord Tywin

    See if you can follow the thread like everyone else.

    A) Thad Spencer and/or Amos Lincoln would have been better opponents versus Cassius
    Clay on November 22, 1965 than Floyd Patterson.

    B) Because Floyd had entered into the bout with an injured back.

    C) But both Thad and Amos were ranked 'below' Floyd, and Las Vegas wanted the
    Clay vs. Patterson fight because of money.

    D) Cassius Clay agreed to fight both Thad Spencer and Amos Lincoln in 1966.

    E) Cassius Cay fought Brian London on August 16, 1966

    F) Thad Spencer didn't fight Bill MacMurray until September 13, 1966 (when he suffered a cut-eye).

    G) Thad Spencer even fought 30-days later, on October 14, 1966 versus Doug Jones.

    H) Cassius Clay then agreed to fight Thad Spencer in January 1967, but tried to
    slide in Floyd Patterson in again (instead).

    I) Cassius Clay would have fought Thad Spencer in Japan (September 1967), if he had
    weasled (escaped) out of the U.S. Military ordeal.

    J) Every Magazine, and news organization called Cassius Clay,,,,,,,,,,,,Cassius Clay in 1966.

    Ring Magazine (May 1966)

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    Tuesday Night - September 13, 1966

    Memorial Auditorium - Sacramento, California

    Attendance; 1350

    "California State Heavyweight Championship Changes Hands'

    Thad 'Babe' Spencer (Portland, Oregon) had his quest for a World Heavyweight Championship
    bout versus Cassius Clay dashed last night, as he suffered a cut-eye stoppage in
    Round 7 to to Sacramento's Bill 'Fred' McMurray.

    Thad Spencer, the promising 23 year-old heavyweight, who had scored 'two' impressive
    wins in the United Kingdom earlier this year, had entered the ranked as #2 by Ring
    Magazzine and #4 by the WBA.

    In this scheduled 12-Round Bout, Spencer (201 lbs.) opened up in his usual fast manner,
    rocking the 30 year-old - 208 lb. Sacramento 'truck driver' moments into Round 1.

    In Round 2, Spencer floored the McMurray for an 8-Count with a short right hand.
    But, later in the round, Spencer suffered a cut right eye, as a result of head-butt from
    the 6' 4" journeyman.

    Thad Spencer maintained his dominance in the bout, by scoring with rapid-fire
    lefts and rights to the head, driving back McMurray time and again.

    Late in Round 6, McMurray was able to reach Spencer with a long right hand to the
    right eye, which opened up the cut, causing a stream of blood to flow.

    In between rounds, Spencer's corner tried to stem the flow, but the cut was
    too jagged to stop.

    In Round 7, Spencer immediately went right after McMurray in attempt to knock him out,
    but McMurray was able withstand the onslaught, and counter with a short right over the
    right eye of Spencer, which opened up the cut more.

    Referee - Pete Morelli stopped the bout and called in Dr. Asa Springer, who then advised
    the Referee to halt the bout.

    Bill McMurray was awarded the win, by TKO at 0:58 of Round 7.

    Thad Spencer's manager, Willie Ketchum protested and asked for the bout to be
    ruled a 'No Contest' as the cut eye was a result of an earlier head-butt. But officials
    said they would not over-rule the decision, and awarded Bill McMurray the victory
    and with it the California State Heavyweight Championship.

    Thad Spencer was ahead on all '3' official scorecards.
    Referee, Pete Morelli.........4-1-1 (6-2 in Points)
    Judge, Abe Martninez........4-2-0 (5-2 in Points)
    Judge, Luis Gonzalez.........4-2-0 (5-2 in Points)

    Thad Spencer will drop to 31-5-0.

    Bill 'Fred' McMurray improved to 27-15-1 (12 KO's).
     
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    "Champion Cassius Clay Agrees to Fight The Winner of the Thad Spencer - Doug Jones Bout"

    According to San Francisco Boxing Promoter, Bernie Ford - Cassius Clay will fight
    the winner of the 10-Round Heavyweight bout between WBA #5 Thad Spencer (Portland, Oregon)
    and WBA #4 Doug Jones (New York), in England for January 1967.

    The Spencer - Jones bout is scheduled for Friday Night October 14th, at the Cow Palace in Daly City.

    Doug Jones, a 29 year-old - New York Heavyweight at 29-7-1 (19 KO's) has been
    listed as 5-3 Favorite in the bout. Jones just recently (August 1966) went 15-Rounds with
    WBA Heavyweight Champion - Ernie Terrell, and fought well before losing a 'close' Decision.

    23 year-old Thad Spencer, ranked #2 by The Ring Magazine, has a record of 31-5-0 (14 KO's),
    and has been regarded as the best threat to defeat Cassius Clay.

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