That´s why I think Sonny Liston is overrated

So, you're a Sharkey man I see. :good

 

Of the three officials in the first Quarry fight-two voted draw, one Quarry--Majority draw

Of the three officials in the 2nd Quarry Fight--two voted Quarry, one a draw--Majority decision Quarry.

The referee alone voted in the Ellis fight--he had it 9-6 for Ellis.

In the Ali fight, two officials had Ali ahead 5-1 & 4-2--the third had it a draw.

We are talking about ten officials. Not one voted for Patterson. I don't think it is manifest that Patterson deserved the decisions. Why would they screw probably the most popular boxer in the world to give decisions to Jerry Nobody and Jimmy Whatshisname?

I have not seen the first Quarry fight. I thought Quarry won the second and Ellis won his.

I frankly thought Ali could have won in 1972 anytime he wanted to turn it on.

 

Yep.

 

Listons was an all time great but i have him near the back end of the top ten rather than the front, i would have louis,ali,holmes,dempsey,lewis and maybe a few more ahead of him.

 

Yep.

 

Yep.

 

Yep.

 

Yep.*





* Sorry Luigi, couldn't resist.

 

Arguably Larry Holmes was the best but obviously past prime, Tyson wasn't the same fighter he once was against Douglas/Holyfield/Lennox. The main thing Tyson lost was stamina as his style was hugely stamina dependent. I had Tyson up against Holyfield after 5 rounds but he faded.

 

These aren't predictions of 1st round KOs but rather possibilities, Tyson may KO the following in 1 round if he catches them:

Kenny Norton (been done)
Patterson (been done)
Moore (a bit chinny, Patterson took 5, Tyson )
Charles (not strong enough to keep Tyson off him)
Marciano (if he gets hit in the 1st like he did against Moore/Walcott its possible)
Dempsey (been done)
Willard (if Dempsey takes 3, maybe Tyson does it in 1 especially with modern rules)
Walcott - (been done)
Liston (been done - he make take a dive again:yep )
Langford - too small or too blind
Johnson - possibility :huh
Frazier - Foreman took 3, 1s a possibility especially with a ref worried about fighter safety
Shavers - been done
Young - been done

Some of those are remote (Liston/Johnson) but none would be a huge suprise, any punch can KO a man, its just usually it takes allot of rounds for fighters to land their money punch or they aren't big enough hitters to do it with 1 shot. Tyson could land his best shots early because of his speed and boxing brilliance and he was quite a big hitter

 

Tyson was definitely ahead until the knockdown, he began well in that fight. The fifth was a clear round for him but I think he may have been discouraged that Holyfield was still fresh at the end of the round.


ps. This 'all the best fighters he fought beat him' argument is quite weak. You could say the same things about most fighters: the best two fighters Frazier fought beat him 4 out of 5. Louis didn't do so great against the best three he fought neither: Marciano, Walcott (I) and Charles, even though he was past his best (so was Tyson vs Lewis).