That´s why I think Sonny Liston is overrated

Are you such a dumbass or do you just play it? I didn´t compare Liston with Nielsen, I just wanted to show you how easy we can make a fighter greater than he actually was, when he just look at the paper for example. I have Liston at 12th in my AT´s - HW-list. Dempsey doesn´t have the worst resume, Johnson has the worst resume as a HW-champ. Your comparisons are just full of **** and totally wrong, you live in a world of illusions and lies. And the last sentences like in every posts of you, traditionally full of ****, aren´t true and you know that yourself, you just want to bother me, but it makes no sense, you can´t provokate me viá internet...

 

LaStarza didn´t beat Marciano, that´s well-known by the insiders (you of course don´t know it), search for a fight report from a serious newspaper like the "New York Times" or search the VHS, it´s a rarity, but it´s available. You´re going on with the double standards, Valdes beat Charles? Yeah, right, but you don´t mention that Moore put a serious beating on him, the same Moore Marciano KO´d.

 

McVey, Jeanette, etc., Johnson faced them when they just had 10 fights or so, that doesn´t count that much, when he defeated Burns for the title, why didn´t he give them once again a chance, when they reached their prime? And about my English, well, it´s not perfect, but IMO understandable, we can also discuss in Italian or German, I speak these 2 languages perfectly and error-free... you just come with such a ****, because you don´t know how you can counter me, you´re just sulky because I beat you in your own language, but don´t worry, almost everyone here would beat you verbally...

 

Fact is, that Charles showed in both fights against Marciano that he was in top-shape, I have fights from him against Bivins and Moore in the late 40s where he was IMO in his prime, and it wasn´t a big difference. But for you, without watchig fights that much (perhaps only sometimes a Tyson-best KO´s-vid at youtube), it is of course pretty difficult to discuss with here on this...

btw, it´s right Patterson KO´d Moore in the 5th round, but he was in his prime and very young, Marciano showed against Cockell yet that he isn´t the same like he was for example against Louis, Matthews, etc., once again bad comparison

 

The hardest time, well, that could be. But that doesn´t mean that we must fantasize now and look through the rose-colored glasses again. Ed Martin or Childs were both nothing special, and you know that. Why don´t you mention that he struggled with the likes of Battling Jim Johnson, Hart, Dunning, etc.?

 

C´mon now, why are you doing such stupid comparisons? Charles knew that against Marciano it was a big chance, and he trained very hard and very well. And we all knew how good he looked. Before Marciano, he lost a SD against one of the greatest LHW´s in Harald Johnson, no shame for that, and he lost an UD against Valdes. He beat fighters like Brion, Layne, Bivins, Reynold, etc., who were all good contenders. He was still a top fighter.

 

That´s my problem with you for example. Lame excusses. "Would, should, that could...", I want facts. I didn´t see the Hart-fight, but from fight-reports I read Johnson should have won slightly, but it wasn´t so one-sided that it can be called "robbery", and it´s normal when he can´t even beat a limited fighter like Hart, that some people criticize him for that. Why would Dunning be a win for example? Did you read their fight report to judge this? Your excusses are mostly just speculations, simply advised...