That´s why I think Sonny Liston is overrated

He didn´t lose against journeymen, that´s another lie. He lost to Layne, a ranked top contender, and beat him some months later. He lost to Walcott, the champ. Than to Johnson, also top-ranked, the same with Valdes, where´s the journeyman now? Btw, and please be honest, did you see a prime Charles in action and did you compare it with the Marciano-fights? And please be honest! :thumbsup

 

That´s no problem. The problem is, that he´s overrated because of his legacy. And Power Puncher for example doesn´t come with facts or arguments, he just comes with speculations, lies, etc...

 

McGrain, you know me, I´m just honest. With someone like you, I can discuss meaningful. I like Liston, when I was a child, he was even at one time my favourite fighter (I was a little boy, he was the bad boy of his times, mean facial expression, etc., that impresses a child, that´s logical). People like Power Puncher, who are fortunately rare here on ESB, can´t hear/ read criticism, and they can´t discuss, can´t come with logical arguments, facts, etc, so they affront with very bad lies and things, but OK. I have absolutely nothing against Liston, I just saw in many ATG´s- HW-lists, that he´s actually ranked too high (C.M. Clay II for example ranks him as the 2nd best HW ever, and so on), and I just wanted to write my opinion. If you rate him highly head-to-head, well, that´s something different, because that´s pure speculation, and everyone can make his own opinion on here... :good

 

Exactly. And I still like him (but now of course not because of this), my little brother, who´s a teeny now, likes him a lot, and I always josh him with things like "Clay KTFO Liston" and stuff like that, just for fun, and he defends Liston like he´s his father or so...


Liston has really wowed a big impression as a bad cool guy, no one was more feared than him, and every child I know who likes boxing yet totally likes Sonny, it´s like magic, but on the other side it´s also logical, that they don´t have fighters like "Pink" Thomas or "Macho" Camacho as their role models...