That´s why I think Sonny Liston is overrated

True, but Cockell is 1 poor top2 challenger out of the 9 he had.

You can be sure that every fighter faced a Cockell sooner or later that for some reason climbed up the rankings. It all evens out more or less. Without Cockell, Marciano would be 8-0 (7 KO), still a lot better than Liston's 5-2 (4 KO).

1. Yes he did. I can't imagine anyone not having been completely disappointed in the "bad" guy in either cases.

2. But Charles simply was the better fighter, i think there is no argument here. LaStarza fought a still learning-on-the-job Marciano and lost a close decision. When he fought a peak Marciano, he was pretty much destroyed. Charles gave a much better fight to the same, prime Marciano.

3. As others have pointed out, the Johnson decision was a bad one. There are also a lot of people who thought he won his 4th fight with Walcott. The Layne fight he avenged later and basically he was fighting a tremendous amount of ranked fighters. In fact, he fought more top2 challengers or better than everyone, including Ali and Louis (and about 5 times more than Liston, if that impresses you).

 

It's still incomplete. The rating of Johnson's bugging me. I do rate him quite high though.

 

Foreman and Marciano are in my mine. Dempsey's vying for a place around 9 or 10. I can do 12 pretty easily. :good

 

No Tyson?:-(

 

Well, here's my top 20. It's head-to-head, so don't expect to see the typical lists that come up.

1. Muhammad Ali 1967
2. Sonny Liston 1960
3. George Foreman 1974
4. Mike Tyson 1988
5. Joe Louis 1942
6. Larry Holmes 1982
7. Jack Johnson 1910
8. Joe Frazier 1971
9. Jack Dempsey 1923
10. Lennox Lewis 1998
11. Rocky Marciano 1953
12. Riddick Bowe 1992
13. Evander Holyfield 1993
14. Floyd Patterson 1963
15. Ezzard Charles 1950
16. Jersey Joe Walcott 1948
17. Gene Tunney 1927
18. Jim Jeffries 1904
19. Ken Norton 1976
20. Sam Langford 1913

 

No I don't think you started jacking off to Marciano until you were a teenager.

I'm not of the homosexual persuasion such as yourself so only have interest in female prostitues :thumbsup

I never insulted you until you started insulting me simply for saying your post was biased. So don't cry when the heat gets turned back on you