That´s why I think Sonny Liston is overrated

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Luigi1985, Sep 26, 2007.


  1. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    But, with all respect, I only wrote that your posts were ridiculous and laughable. And it´s true. Than you countered with gay- attacks and all that ****. That´s too much. It would be the same when you call me an ******* and I call you a son of a *****, get what I mean? Btw, when I write things, who aren´t true, and who are full of lame excusses, I don´t have to be surprised when someone laughs about me...






    But let´s be serious now, we´re too old to make little verbal battles to detect who´s cooler and meaner out of us, it´s the Oktoberfest, especially now I don´t wanna lose my good fancy... ;-)
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    Shot is probably the wrong term, way past prime would be better but beating Satterfield isn't a massive acheivement. Satterfield was an excellent journeyman level fighter with a massive punch. Maybe his win over Williams is comparable to McCall against Lennox Lewis on a lower level
     
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    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wills has a greater legacy than Dempsey
     
  4. DocDevil

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    I wasn't trying to be sarcastic,just think Liston could whip anyone on that Louis,Dempsey and Marciano beat,and vice versa.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well, I took offense to your reply, if you read my post its not 'ridiculous' its my assessment of Listons comp, which I think is very good, although I'd agree not good enough to be number 2 HW. But if you wish we can have a Ceasefire?
     
  6. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you. The problem with head to head is you get this sort of arguement--Louis has more achievement, a better record, more longevity, etc, than Dempsey or Liston. Head to head, though, Dempsey and Liston take Louis and therefore should be rated higher.

    The problem is no one really knows if Dempsey or Liston could take Louis while we can at least somewhat fairly evaluate records.
     
  7. McGrain

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    As in he beat better fighters? I would agree with that.
     
  8. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Look, I really ain´t no hater, I hate NO fighters, simply because nobody did something to me or my family. For me, it´s childish to say "I hate this fighter, because he´s such a big mouth" or so, it doesn´t interest me, the main thing for me is, that they fight, than I respect them automatically. I didn´t write that Liston isn´t great or that I have him at 25th in my HW-ATG´s-list or anything ridiculous like that, I just wrote that I feel he´s a bit overrated, and I wrote exactly why I feel so and gave arguments/ facts, so I felt that your posts were a bit overacted, that´s why I responded a bit harsh. Ceasefire? OK! :good
     
  9. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Btw, I live here in Munich, where´s right now the Oktoberfest/ Wiesn, why doesn´t anyone come here? I promise you some hot girlies/milfs, depending on what you prefer... :D
     
  10. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am old, anyway.

    I think Walcott was as good as he ever was--I see no evidence he had gone back.

    Charles had gone back some, but Ali showed plenty of signs of going back going into the Foreman fight and still came up with a great performance. The Ali of the Foreman fight and the Charles of the first Marciano fight were almost exactly the same age to the month. I think Charles performed well against Marciano.

    I also think Marciano was probably going back some by 1954 and 1955.
     
  11. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    :thumbsup


    Btw, you know what I meant with old fox, not from the age old, just from your experiences, you´re gold or even platin for this forum! :good
     
  12. PowerPuncher

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    My list based on accomplishments (over how I rate their competition) and dominance:

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. Tyson
    5. Jack Johnson
    6. Harry Wills
    7. Larry Holmes
    8. Evander Holyfield
    9. Liston
    10. Marciano
    11. Joe Frazier
    12. Jack Dempsey
    13. George Foreman
    14. Ezzard Charles
    15. James J. Jeffries
    16. Langford
    17. Bowe
    18. Norton
    19. Patterson
    20. Walcott
    21. Schmelling
    22. Gene Tunney
    23. Sharkey
    24. M Spinks
    25. Johanssen

    (Jeffries Era Onwards)

    Expecting flack from having Tyson/Lewis/Wills so high
     
  13. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Solid list, you probably saw also my list, but I can´t really criticize you for that one (it´s always hard to make such a list, and it´s very close), it´s cool to see that Wills finally gets the respect that he deserves. I have Lewis also very high, he totally dominated his era and fought anyone (beside Bowe, who didn´t want to fight him, but that´s not his fault) and revenged his 2 L´s and beat both fighters in the rematches. The only 2 things I would change: I personally would rate Jeffries, Frazier and Marciano a bit higher, Tyson and Holyfield a bit lower, but that´s it. All in all, a good list! :thumbsup






    Like you see, I can also be very friendly and charming! :gayfight
     
  14. McGrain

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    Count me in where these two are concerned.

    And given your criteria, let's hear a little bit about why Spinks is on your list.
     
  15. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    IMO Wills should be in every Top 15-list, look at who he has beaten, and mostly also in dominant fashion, he has great names in his resume, and almost every of them were in their prime, was would be also very good head-to-head, he was a big HW, at that time, 6´3 big and over 210 lbs. He has a good chin, very good skills, very good power, good stamina, and no real weaknesses. One of the most underrated fighters for sure.