That´s why I think Sonny Liston is overrated

What do you think happened in the second Ali-Liston fight?

 

Pattersons reign wasnt too distinguished but imo he made up for it as an ex champ he took on a lot of the tough guys most of them when he was a bit past his peak aresume that includes Chuvalo,Bonavena,Ellis,Quarry,Cooper,Ali,Machen,,isnt a bad one.

 

Liston got knocked out. That is what ringside observers such as Jim Murray, Nat Fleischer, Sports Illustrated, etc, thought.

 

No. It isn't bad, but he didn't beat Ali, Ellis, and Quarry, and it is still not really a list of the top contenders starting in 1964, other than the above three. Folley, Williams, Terrell, Spencer, and Frazier are not on the list. A Frazier fight in 1967 might have been interesting. Bonavena in 1972 was a strong opponent, though.
Machen and Cooper were actually older than Patterson, and Chuvalo was the type who could be and was outboxed by most skilled boxers, such as Folley, Terrell, and Corletti around the time Patterson fought him.

 

To play devils advocate I could argue that he manifestly beat Quarry and Ellis, and that he was leading on the score cards against Ali aged 37 before being stoped on cuts.

 

But a lot of writers hate to think they've just witnessed a fix in a sport they love.

 

Patterson was behind on the cards actually.

 

I understand otherwise.

 

You understand wrong.

 

Justify

 

What, justify the judges cards? It's not my fault they had Floyd trailing. I thought it was pretty even myself but that's not the point. He was behind and, er, that's that. :good

 

You're a riot!