That's it! "Ward declining to meet Bute" -- BUTE VS FROCH IS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, until Ward/Bute square off neither is undisputed. Even then, strictly speaking, no. There is still another belt hanging around so we will have a consensus #1, not an undisputed. Much of the rest of your argument is similarly flawed but this is enough for now. You suffer the common ESB malady of putting to much importance into what you think.

 

Okay. Whatever you say.

I didn't say undisputed champion. Alphabet title's mean niente in boxing.

I said undisputed no. 1.

Ward has beaten 2 of the top 4 SMW's (1 of which is him, leaving only 1). Bute has beaten none.

Bute's resume cannot hold up to Wards at the current time, irrespective of whether you (or I) believe that he can beat Ward.

At this time, the only people that dispute Ward being the no. 1 in the division are Bute fans (or perhaps Ward haters, but there's not really that much to hate on, unless it has to do with race or religion perhaps).

Beating Johnson, Andrade and Bika don't make you number 1. Despite whatever ability you have.

It's as simple as 1 + 1 equalling 2.

Can Bute beat Froch and then Ward? Sure. If he did, THEN I'd say he's undisputed no. 1 (I don't care for the fact that he'd be undisputed champion as well, as I previously mentioned, alphabet titles mean nothing in todays world).

 

So, you say Bute fans dispute your claim but that Ward is still undisputed? :rofl

 

Mr X and his fans could have disputed that Joe Louis was the undisputed no. 1 during his 25 defences of the heavyweight title.

How much weight does that hold?

I hate using math, but it gets my point across.

 

Your theory is worth nothing, for a simple reason. You forget the fact that the super 6 let him outside of the tournament. He didn't choose the easy fights, he had no other opportunities. Since he was number 2 at the time, it would be an easy way for the other ones to be called the best without facing who is possibly the best. Now the tournament is over, they cannot avoid Bute. If they do, well, they won't be able to be called undisputed.

 

It's unfortunate that Bute wasn't in the tournament. I agree.

But he wasn't.

His resume does not stack up as being the best in the division.

You can't be the best in the division based solely on ability, or perceived ability.

 

If you don't recognize Bute as having a LEGIT claim may I suggest [url]link[/url]. But you argument is about as good as Mr. X and his fans. :rofl Math? :rofl

 

You can't be the best in the division without proving it by taking on ALL the top contenders. Period. This is easy. Ward has chosen not to fight Bute at this time so he can't make the claim he is the best because he hasn't fought Bute. This is really simple ****.

 

Funny. No need to get defensive though. It's a sign of weakness.

I understand that you must be a Bute fan, and I'm certainly not trying to offend you.

Compare Bute's resume to Ward's resume and explain how he has a legit claim to being the no. 1?

Has he ever beaten anyone in the top 5? Has Ward? The answers are no, and yes (2).

Are you saying that Johnson (coming off a loss), Andrade and Bika are enough to make him no. 1?

Please explain, cause I will take everything you say under consideration. I'm not here to argue (maybe debate and put forward my opinion, but that's different), and I'm certainly no Ward "nut hugger".

 

You live in your own little world, that much is quite obvious.

Bute has taken on the best that WOULD fight him. Ward declined. Kessler declined. Froch accepted. I'm not a Bute fan. I just have fun pointing out weaknesses in what passes as 'informed opinion' around here. You were an obvious easy target. Your bias is so clear it isn't funny. You think Ward is number 1 in the division, that is YOUR opinion and that of many others. That is far from making him the "undisputed".

 

So you would rather have a go at me rather than providing me with a debate on why you disagree. I won't stoop to that level because I find it petty.

All I'm saying is everything is based on resume and who you beat. Not who you might beat.

It's unfortunate that Bute hasn't had the chance to fight Ward, Froch or Kessler.

Unfortunate or not, he hasn't.

Out of the three fighters you mentioned for Bute, Ward has fought and beat 2 (and he himself is the other one). I find that interesting.

 

My guess is Froch thinks he will leave Canada on his feet with another lopsided loss so he figures for the $$$$ he'll take the L on the cards then hype the loss as homecooking to sell it better in UK.

Problem is that no matter where or how, Carl is not hearing the final bell vs Bute.:admin

Consecutive KO losses will ruin him. He should have looked for a 1 fight deal soas he could have a few comeback fights after his first KO loss.:rofl Looks like he's being cashed out.

Hopefully the $$$ is enough to take care of his family for life, because after the schooling he got by Ward and the viscious KOs he'll suffer consecutively to Bute his legacy will be shot.:verysad

 

You really are cherry picking here and keep changing the subject. Ward is NOT undisputed. PERIOD. Not even anything to discuss in that regard which is why you keep changing the subject. Until Ward and Bute square off, there is no undisputed unless Froch, or someone else, beats Bute. This is simple linguistics, not MATH as you implied. Nothing more to say here. You are simply wrong in your assertion that Ward is undisputed #1. If you don't see it, that is your problem.

 

I think Froch believes in his chances. If Taylor put him down I think Bute does have a good chance of stopping him though. Not a certainty though. He does love to dangle that left. I can't believe he got away with it as long as he did. The shoulder roll? I kinda found that funny. Look for Bute's straight left right down the pipe.

 

Nobody says Bute is number one. Maybe one or 2 persons, not more. Hell, I don't even put him second, even if Froch lost. I won't jump on you if you put him 4th, it's ok with me. That doesn't change the fact Ward won't never be undisputed until he faces Bute.