I think the ragging of Pavlik is pretty harsh. Sure, he got whupped pretty bad but he was in with a boxing great who was on song. He took a high risk, low reward fight and was respectful in defeat. I think guys like Pavlik will still beat most guys out there, but against an experienced, crafty boxer like Hopkins he just insn't dynamic enough yet. Same thing for Kessler against Joe, he beats most other guys but lacked the experience and adaptability to win. I think thats what makes a boxer great.