The old Wikipedia degenerate has been butthurt ever since I roasted your weak minded ass a while back. A true Povetkin degenerate.
Yes we do, but that's the 90's bro... we had the dream team of boxing in the 90s... nobody could **** with us then:deal
A guy who's been bursting his ass off to state "whoever has the most medal is the greatest" calls someone "wikipedia degenerate", doesn't even know under what circumstances those medals have been won. Btw, you don't need to keep proving you're a nationalistic troll who DKSAB, We already knew that. Keep trying to bash at a fighter just because you don't like where he's coming from, that's your true level. F****ing bigot.
Yeah, and they won Gold and turned pro. They didn't say in the AMs which is why there is no GOAT at the AM level for me. But if Loma is to be considered the best AM ever, we have to check the numbers and while his numbers in terms of won-losses is the best...he didn't win the most Gold medals.
Wikipedia nowadays has helped fans like you become just that-fans like you. Old closet transvestites who think that they knowitall who wasn't even watching the AM's back then...degenerates like you read a Wikipedia story about non Euro amateur fighters and run that into the ground until you find another story to exploit. You've only seen the European amateur scene Gus. You only know the Euro scene fat ass. Stay ****ed. Maybe you'll keel over and the boards can become a better place here.
But he only has 2 gold medals while others have 3. I can't call him the GOAT of the AMs. I still can't believe I'm saying that lol.
We will leave it at this: Loma has the best record, but he isn't the GOAT of the AMs because there really is no GOAT and guys have more Gold medals than him. Cool? Ok lol.
Dren you're cool though. Peace. Ana, eat **** and die you old loser...and BoxMaster...Puga or whatever alt your using, keep posting and getting no respect.
Take notes.. If you want to say Roy Jones as an amateur for example is TBE, then that's up to you. But you CANNOT confuse 'best' with 'greatest'. Amateurs are a different construct. Slightly different roles, different methods of point scoring which must apply to 3 rounds, thus different gameplans, and greater focusses on different punches. US produced the best PROFESSIONAL boxers in history, that is undeniable. With that said... Americans fought in National tournaments a lot. i.e Golden Gloves. They also only really went to the Olympics once. In the boxing amateur scene, national tournaments are NOT the pinnacle. It's: Olympics/World Championships/ European/Asian Games/Pan Am etc. Domestic Regional - Same construct for Junior. The very best in the world face off in Olympics and World Championships. American boxers have only really medalled there a couple of times, altogether. ---------------------- As for Vasyl being GOAT: 1. 402-1 including WSB. 2. Avenged only loss twice (against an Amateur Great in Selimov). 3. World Amateur Silver 4. Olympic Gold at Feather (beating very good opponents including the guy who beat him, also winning the VAL BARKER trophy) 5. World Amateur Champ at Feather (BROKE HIS HAND in the first fight, but only conceded 7 points in the days of the computerised points system). 6. They removed the Featherweight division. He was forced to move up to Lightweight and was small for the weight then. Being a primarily aggressive fighter, this works against him. 7. Adjusted his style to the new system. Became economical. 8. World Amateur Gold (Beating 4 consistent Greats - and one American who isn't great but still was good enough to make Olympics, too) 9. Olympic Gold at Lightweight (beating consistent elite medalists) 10. 6-0 at WSB. Beating amateur greats and very good amateurs. 11. Junior World Champion, knocking out 3 of 5 opponents. 12. Euro Champ
Still, a guy who can't name 10 amateur boxers, who's been bursting his ass off to claim "he didn't win the most medals, so he can't be the greatest" calls someone a wikipedia warrior. Priceless. In reality, you have never seen an amateur fight of Lomachenko, or Savon, or Stevenson. Keep being an ignorant, f****ed up, mentally ill bigot Blizzy. That's probably the best thing you can ever be in your pethatic life. And again, no matter how many emoticons you put on your f****ed up, lame posts, It still doesn't change the fact that you're a complete waste of space who's existence is a black mark on earth.