The 10 point must system

Just to add on to the points about whether to score a round with a knockdown 10-8 or 10-9, if you score a round with a knockdown 10-9, you really are scoring the round even (10-10) then deducting a point for a knockdown. (otherwise it would be 10-8 or 9-9, with 9-9 being scored 10-9 then deducting a point for the knockdown)

And I've heard the argument that judges should be scoring the round outside of the knockdown then factoring in the knockdown, and that's not wholely accurate. Judges should be scoring the whole round including the knockdown straight up THEN deducting a point for the knockdown. Like in that ring tv article about the round in Pac Cotto, it stated The key is: Which fighter won the round without the knockdown?

That's almost correct, but not quite. Really it's which fighter won the round including the knockdown as part of the straight up scoring of the round, then deducting a point from the fighter who got knocked down in addition to that.

This is an important distinction because excluding the knockdown from the straight up scoring prior to the point deduction doesn't factor in the quality of the knockdown itself. So whether somebody won a round with a knockdown straight up, you should be considering how good the knockdown was itself when scoring it before you deduct the point. Anotherwords, if the knockdown was impressive, that should make it even harder for the fighter who got knocked down to "win" the round prior to the deduction or for it to even be 10-10 prior to the deduction. This is a detail that many continue to ignore, the factoring in of the knockdown itself to the scoring prior to the deduction. That's why really only extreme examples of a fighter dominating a round then getting knocked down in fluke like fashion or something should produce something other than a 10-8 round. In most cases, the knockdown itself is a big enough moment in the round to win that person the round PRIOR to the additional point being taken, which is why most of the time when a knockdown happens it's a 10-8 round as it should be.

 

You would be correct despite posts to the contrary....it really is a shame that every major sport has scoring that is readily defined and understood by fans. A shame that boxing in general does a **** poor job of explaining and teaching how to score especially in these extreme issues (which arise to frequent), and boxing fans in general don’t know (not their fault)....boxing commissions and commentary teams need to a better job teaching this to the viewer.

 

What he is saying is how bouts are supposed to scored according to the rules. He is right. You are wrong. The rules aren't that complex. How does this even work in your mind? So you get knocked down, lose a point when the ref counts, knock the other guy down so you GET a point (???) like...what? You start at 10 then you get points deducted for fouls and knockdowns. He isn't wrong and he JUST explained everything to you pretty clearly. You then basically just said "You're wrong" and didn't explain or prove anything at all and he even covered judges getting this wrong themselves.

 

Hm, disappointing - I didn't realize you were this stupid.

You don't automatically get points deduced for knockdowns regardless of context. Only fouls lead to automatic deductions. This really isn't that complicated.

In a round without a deduction (for a foul) THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE WINNER GETTING LESS THAN 10PTS, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER.

This isn't "taking it too literally". That is what 10pt must MEANS.

 

This is incorrect. You're also very upset because other people realized you were wrong about something which angered you SO MUCH that you needed to insult another person's intelligence because due to how hurt you are from that. There is a 10 point must system. That was explained. If you get knocked down you lose a point. That was explained.

[url]https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/articles/item/ever-wondered-how-professional-boxing-s-scoring-system-works[/url]
[url]https://www.premierboxingchampions.com/news/veteran-boxing-judge-steve-weisfeld-offers-tips-how-score-fight[/url]
[url]https://boxraw.com/blogs/blog/how-to-score-boxing[/url]

Look, you start with 10. You HAVE to start with 10. You don't actually GAIN points in boxing, you only lose points. For what you are saying to work you would have to gain points but that is impossible. When fights are scored the way that you're saying it means the judges messed up because there is no logical way for what you're saying to occur. If you get knocked down once that is (generally) a 10-8 because you lose the round (10-9) and the knockdown meant you lost another point so it becomes 10-8. If you get knocked down multiple times then your score for that round decreases for each knockdown. The knockdowns have to reflected in the score or else you're arbitrarily pulling out numbers. Also there is no distinction between a point deduction from a foul and a point deduction from a knockdown from a scoring perspective. There aren't...sacred special points or whatever.

The winner of a round gets 10 points because they never lost any points. If you lost points then you won't get 10 in your score but you CAN still have more points than your opponent (making you the winner for that round) but the circumstances for that are kind of rare so you don't see it often. Some judges will also completely mess this part up. That is likely more common than a situation where this is warranted to begin with.

 

Wrong.

 

What ambiguity do you identify in the word 'must'?

 

Some of the confusing posts and misreading add to the confusion here. Even if the knocked down fighter "dominated" the majority of the round the best he can hope for is losing the round 10-9 and should be grateful for it. If he was dominating then how was he put on his arse by one punch?

As a judge you cannot disregard the merits of the knockdown - in this scenario you must think of the knockdown then take into account the rest of the action and adjust your score.

 

Flamazide your posts on this subject have been outstanding. One of the key points you make is you can't have points added. Some people will accept the winner of a round having a point deducted for a foul to make a round 9-9 but then if a rd is even and both go down they have to elevate the score from 9-9 to 10-10 because it's the 10 pt must system. If it's the 10 pt must system why aren't they elevating the scores when there is a deduction for a fowl? You make a good point that points aren't sacred. A point is a point no matter where it comes from. It is one ****ing point!. What it comes down to is that professional boxing is not so professional after all. It certainly not as professional as most sports. The rules are not universal and fragmented to hell with way too many commissions with way too many meaningless titles and like some one mentioned earlier it is one of the only sports where the general public does not have full knowledge of how it is judged. The possibility of having both boxers failing to get 10 pts in a rd outside of a foul is a rare occurrence so it is quite understandable that this is not properly dealt with in a sport as unprofessional as boxing. I've seen it scored both ways but the simplest, most correct and most logical way is to forget about adding pts because you must have 10.

 

Well I have sent an e-mail off to each of the main sanctioning bodies, as well as the association of boxing commissions and the Pennsylvania state athletic commission to see if I can get any exact answers to a plethora of scoring issues. I do not expect to get a response but I am planning on hassling them by e mail and phone untill I pester them enough to respond. If they provide me with answers to several questions or give me an official resource guide which details them I will share those findings here.

 

You should be able to get an answer. The lives of people involved in the state athletic commissions aren't that exciting. I'm actually surprised they didn't respond to you within the hour.

 

So far the Pennsylvania one responded and I have an appointment to talk with them on Wednesday...no other responses yet. They didn’t answer any of my questions via e-mail so I don’t know whether they will then or at the very least point me towards some resources or links of an official nature.

 

That's very strange. This isn't something that requires an appointment. This is something that they just email an answer to. Have you dealt with them before?

Who did you talk to exactly?

 

Top hit on a Google search but if you want I can flood the page with other sources, all of which trump your conjectural opinions @the factor & @Flamazide:

[url]https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/91828-fast-facts-boxing-point-system[/url]

The rules are the rules. Deductions are only automatic for penalization by a referee for a foul. They are not automatic for knockdowns regardless of circumstances.

To address the idiotic point you both keep making: nobody is talking about "gaining" points, you retards. In rounds where somebody is knocked down but still gets 10 points it has nothing to do with points being "added". The point is never lost, because there must be 10 points awarded to at least one fighter in every single round in which no points are taken due to fouls. Period.

Neither of you knows wtf you're talking about. If either of you utters a peep to further obfuscate the subject and spew your annoying uninformed misinformation without citing a proper authority on the matter you will be permanently banned from here.

 

Not sure? The direct e-mails that are listed...I thought it would have been easier to give me a link a resource guide or just answer the 10 different controversial scenarios I posed to them with actual fight examples. I guess I “might” know more Wednesday