The 100 greatest title fights of all time (The Ring, 1996)

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  1. Viy

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    IMO one doesn't get to blatantly cheat and later claim they would have won regardless.

    While I do acknowledge it was a terrific fight it is unfortunately tainted due to Panama Brown & Aaron Pryor being disgraceful cheats.
     
  2. Fogger

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    If this is strictly based on the fight itself, with no externals being involved, then there is not a chance that there are 50 fights better than the 1982 Bobby Chacon - Bazooka Limon title fight.
     
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  3. Jel

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    Yeah, the order of some of the fights is bizarre. I understand that Chacon-Limon historically isn’t as significant as some of the other higher fights on the list but the action in that one means it should be much, much higher.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Lights, camera, ACKSHUN! Does anyone have more than Rocky Marciano's four mentions? Notable also that he won them all.

    Hearns joins Ali and Frazier as the only punters with two in the top 10. He may have lost them but the man sure knew how to put on a fight.

    Guys like Chacon and Saad might have more if non title fights were counted as well i think. They have some barn burners without titles on the line. Then again there's been hundreds of great non title fights.

    At a very quick count there's about 22 Heavyweight fights on there.

    Weaver - Tate is on there because of the dramatic late KO and it being Heavyweight. The fight wasn't at all competitive until about the 12th and then the 15th. Boy those late KO's against the tide in a big are memorable tho. Who doesn't love one.

    Incredible one sided destruction's are omitted. Fair but notable. Something like Frazier - Foreman would have been fitting for the sheer shock and spectacle....and it was at Heavyweight hahaha It shook the world. Hearns - Duran similar.
     
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  5. Jel

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    If this list was revised today with a further 28 years of world title fights to choose from, which fights would be added to the list and which would make way for them?

    There are some obvious ones that would have to go on there, like Moralws-Barrera 1 and Corrales-Castillo 1 - those would be absolute certainties. Some of the more recent fights that The Ring selected to perhaps make up the numbers like Gerald McClellan v Julian Jackson in 1993, Jorge Castro v John David Jackson in 1994 and Vince Pettway v Simon Brown in 1995 would probably not make it onto an updated list, I reckon.
     
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  6. Jel

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    Worth noting that there are no fights listed that ended in tragedy, so no place for fights like Griffith-Paret 3, Ramos-Moore or Mancini-Kim. Personally, I can understand that but in terms of action in the build up to the fateful ending, those three are arguably more deserving of a place than some others listed.
     
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  7. Jel

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    Ah yes, I remember listening to both of those two fights on the wireless! What memories…
     
  8. Jel

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    I understand that point of view but that’s more about Pryor and how he is viewed historically rather than the quality of the fight, which, as you say was terrific.

    Also, just to say that I’m factoring everything into my own assessment of it, like:
    -the historical status of it - it was one established all-time great and reigning lineal world champion going for history by attempting to become the first man to win world titles in a 4th weight division by going up against a younger, unbeaten puncher who had dethroned the dominant force in his own weight class;
    -the atmosphere in the arena and anticipation was electric in Miami, which was Arguello’s home from home at the time, making him the sentimental favourite
    -the contrasting personalities of the two fighters, with the classy and gentlemanly Arguello going up against the loud and abrasive Pryor;
    -the fight itself, which lived up to the hype with its sustained back and forth action and ebbs and flows in momentum, coupled with the high level of technical boxing on display that showed that Pryor was more than just a search and destroy fighter and that Arguello, despite being perhaps near the end, had one last great performance in him;
    -and yes, the controversy, which really came to light in the aftermath, in its way adds to the legend of an already great event and fight.

    Everybody would call Corrales-Castillo one of the greatest fights of all time and that had the mouthpiece controversy that many felt gave Corrales the opportunity to recover and take ultimate victory. I’ve heard some people say it takes the shine off Corrales’ victory but it doesn’t remove the spectacle that everyone had witnessed up to that point, so I don’t see why it would be different with a fight as great as Pryor-Arguello 1 either.

    But, yeah, Panama Lewis was a real POS, no argument from me. Pryor was culpable too but I think the blame lays squarely with Lewis. And I guess we’ll never know what would have happened had it been water that Pryor was drinking. The way he upped his level at the start of the 14th suggests he may not have been able to manage the finish the way he did, but we’ll never know. Hard to believe both fighters are gone now, too.
     
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  9. Jel

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    A few obvious omissions up to 1996 that I think warranted inclusion somewhere:

    -Fighting Harada W15 Eder Jofre, 1965
    -Ruben Olivares TKO14 Kazuyoshi Kanazawa, 1971
    -Victor Galindez KO15 Ritchie Kates , 1976
    -Cornelius Boza-Edwards W15 Rafael Limon, 1981
    -Salvador Sanchez TKO8 Wilfredo Gomez, 1981
    -Jose Luis Ramirez TKO4 Edwin Rosario, 1984
    -James Toney D12 Mike McCallum, 1991

    Had the whole of 1996 been included then Holyfield-Tyson 1 would have almost certainly made it in but the list appeared in the issue prior to the fight taking place. I’m pretty sure Barrera-McKinney, which had already taken place, was probably excluded from consideration based on it being for the WBO title, which The Ring didn’t recognise at the time.
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

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    Benn-McClelllan and Quiroga-Akeem are on there though. Not ending in death but both very sad endings.
     
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  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    All deserving of a place. I remember the issue and thinking that Toney-Mike was a baffling omission. But i thought the list was a good intro for new fans of the sport to see which fights are regarded as classics, often in terms of the event/importance and also to check out some less well known great fights, which I did it aroud that time (e.g. Chionoi-Torres; Albarado-Wajima; Chacon-Limon).
     
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