The 12 Fighters In Boxing History Who Made The Ring's #1 PFP Spot

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  1. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ring Magazine began making pound-for-pound lists in 1989. Here are the 12 fighters who have held the top spot in Ring's ratings since that first list was made 28 years ago.

    Mike Tyson --------------->
    Julio Caesar Chavez ----->
    Pernell Whitaker --------->
    Oscar De La Hoya -------->
    Shane Mosley ------------->
    Roy Jones ----------------->
    Bernard Hopkins ---------->
    Manny Pacquiao ----------->
    Floyd Mayweather --------->
    Roman Gonzalez -----------> 2015-2017
    Andre Ward ----------------> 2017-2017
    Gennady Golovkin ---------> 2017-20__


    Following Andre Ward's retirement and Golovkin's controversial draw against Canelo Alvarez, Golovkin has been elevated to #1 pound-for-pound in both Ring Magazine's rankings as well as ESPN's rankings.

    ESPN currently has 9 voters for their rankings, and The Ring appears to have 12 (3 editors and 9 other voters).

    Ring Magazine's pound-for-pound list as of September 26, 2017
    https://www.ringtv.com/518604-ring-ratings-update-andre-wards-departure-causes-waves/
    https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/

    ESPN's pound-for-pound list as of September 21, 2017
    http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/20775716/pound-pound-rankings-andre-ward-retires-new-no-1
     
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  2. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Ring annointing Gonzalez and Golovkin p4p number 1 sure has shown they're no longer the Bible of Boxing.
     
  3. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Hmm I'm a bit concern, there seems to be a dip in quality in the last 3. The first 9 with the exception of Mosley are ATG but the last 3 are arguably HOF. Has boxing regress?
     
  4. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Props to DLH, he fought over 50% of those at or near their peak. Best resume in decades.
     
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  5. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some of your data is incorrect, Manny wasn't #1 P4P in 05, 06 or 07. All of those were Floyd. Manny was P4P #1 from 2008 to 2012... Then Floyd took over. Also Andre Ward should have a big asterisk next to him. He didn't even beat Kovalev the first fight. And the second fight he was cheating.
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ragging on Roman just goes to show Andre was smart to get out now. Get out on your terms otherwise short memoried fans will punish you for it.

    No minimumweight fighter has ever won titles in as many classes as Roman did. He ducked nobody. Had an incredible offense that was fun to watch.

    I guess winning titles in 4 classes and winning 15 straight title fights doesn't carry the weight it used to. Or maybe getting knocked out vs a terrible styles matchup in your 4th class undoes all that.
     
  7. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're right. I'll take the dates off. I just saw another list (to go along with the original one I saw) where the dates were scattered around and not linear. The first list of names I saw, on Ring itself, seemed like it was linear.

    Thanks for the correction. I'll take the dates off. Except for the last three guys, who do seem to be with the proper dates.
     
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  8. Lazar

    Lazar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Looks good to me.
     
  9. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, also another thing I saw that was interesting was BHOP was put at #1 in 2002. I didn't realize he ever rose to #1 that early. Always thought it was in 2004.

    Jones first #1 P4P was in 96, he also held #1 spot in 99, and 03. Sort of interesting, as I didn't really start following boxing until 2004. There were really only 3 names until recently that occupied #1 spot: Bhop/Floyd/Pac.

    It does feel strange that #1 P4P has changed as much in the past year than it did in a full decade. (Gonzales/Ward*/GGG) vs (Pac/Floyd/BHOP)

    *Should have actually been Kovalev if it wasn't for biased judging and cheating.
     
  10. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No because the real best fighters in the sport (No disrespect to GGG) are Crawford and Lomachenko, both well on their way to ATG status.
     
  11. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I tend to agree that both Loma and Crawford are more talented than GGG. It seems that there is no dominance forces at the moment after pac/ mayweather era.
    Let see if Crawford or Lomachenko can rule the roost in the coming years.
     
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  12. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where Crawford and Loma exceed in talent, GGG compensates in his chin, power, and straight toughness
     
  13. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Crawford the real best fighter in the sport." Are you kidding me? Who has he beat?
    Most fighters that Crawford has beaten were no name fighters.
    If he goes up to 147 and beats all tough guys over there then I will recognize him as the best fighter P4P.
     
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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I don't know. It looks about the same to me. All of those guys with the exception of Shane are great fighters, although Golovkin is probably on the lower side of the scale. I can't decide if he's as good as Kostya Tszyu or a little better. Really, he's not going to be there long since he'll probably retire after the rematch next year and they'll elevate Lomachenko.

    Bernard probably wasn't #1 at any time even though he's an ATG. If he was ever top dog it was likely convenient timing because even in his heyday Barrera, Morales, and Calzaghe were probably doing better work. But they'd pick up a loss or something and duck below a few of the other p4pers they were better than. That's a problem with the p4p list, it's volatile nature. Just one loss will send a great fighter tumbling down the charts. It seems to reward not losing more than winning great victories.

    That's probably why it had Floyd Mayweather top for about five years when he wasn't doing the best work. From 2012 on Donaire, Ward, Rigondeaux, Gonzalez, and Lomachenko were all better for a period. But everyone is reluctant to move a guy down to make way for new blood if he doesn't have an official loss on his record. It's got a very conservative structure and the list makers really like to place their bets on the well known well established safe commodities in the sport. You often have to win for a long time before they'll add you, and when they finally add you, you are past your best, declining, on the brink of failure, and you tumble right off. That's what happened when they finally put Klitschko, Uchiyama, Yamanaka, and Gonzalez on there just in recent memory. I guess that's better than when they jump the gun and declare the likes of Broner, Guerrero, and Lopez to be p4p quality.

    It's such a weird list when you look at it. I mean the times when a guy goes in. I think Ward should have gone in, but probably around the time he won the super six or beat Chad Dawson, not after those two controversial "victories" over Kovalev. It's sort of the same thing for Golovkin. I know he's finally got a great win on his resume, but he was better two and three years ago. It would seem cruel to move Golovkin down for a diminished performance when at the same time it was his greatest achievement to date, but the p4p list is a little cruel anyway the way it treats fighters with controversial losses. Think of how Kovalev got lowered after everyone thought that he beat Ward. And Mosley goes up or stays up, even though everyone thinks he lost the second De La Hoya fight.

    I'm puzzled by the thread starters list though. I really didn't think that Hopkins ever hit #1 and I thought Calzaghe was Ring's guy around 2008 after he beat B-Hop and Jones before he retired.
     
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  15. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's got 3 marquee wins under his belt. KO'ed an undefeated Gamboa, Destroyed Indongo's liver and dominated an undefeated Postol knocking him down twice. All great wins all dominant performances over seriously good prospects, the latter two were a weight class up. He's going up another weight class soon. If he becomes an undefeated 3 division champ with a 72% KO ratio (so far) how can you possibly argue that GGG has a better resume?
     
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