The 17 of Calzaghe's Era Who Were Better Than Him- are there more or less??

My thoughts are that if you spent as much time trying to do something productive as you did hating on Calzaghe you might be running Microsoft by now.

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OK then - Let's see.

ROY JONES JR - On a par, I'd argue. Jones took on a lot of no-hopers at the time everyone thought he was god, which is exactly what Calzaghe gets criticized for. I'll give him his due for winning the WBA heavyweight title, but Ruiz sucks balls.

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MANNY PACQUIAO - A decent argument could be put forward for Manny, but I think we need to see how his career progresses over the next couple of years - Likewise - Let's see what Calzaghe achieves before he retires, shall we?

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LENNOX LEWIS - I'll give you that one. Best heavyweight of all time, in my opinion. Even if Calzaghe goes on to beat a few more great guys & retures undefeated I think Lewis would still have to be up there.

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BERNARD HOPKINS - I don't think so, dude. Forgetting the fact that Calzaghe beat him, Hopkins gets a lot of cred for beating up on smaller guys - Trinidad, De La Hoya, Wright et al. I respect him for beating Tarver (who Calzaghe would shut out, I reckon...) and I'll respect him if he beats Pavlik too, but if he does that not because Hopkins is that great - It's that Pavlik's not that proven in my opinion...

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JAMES TONEY - I disagree given the era we're discussing here. '88-91, Toney was the man at middle, but Calzaghe wasn't about then. Since then, he's proved he's great by sticking in the game & pulling off some great wins (vs. the likes of Tim Littles & Jirov) but he's not been as dominant.

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ERIK MORALES - Met his archilles heel in Barrera. Actually, I think a lot of people try & retrospectively big up Morales given his last hurrah against Pacquiao. I don't buy it.

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SHANE MOSLEY - Great fighter, no doubt, but got two gifts vs. De La Hoya & has recently beat up on washed up guys like Vargas & has tried & failed too often out of his natural weight class...

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MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA - Similarly to Toney, your argument doesn't stand up here, 'cos some of Barrera's best years were before Calzaghe was active. Great fighter though.



JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ - No. Simple as.

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KOSTYA TSZYU - Very good fighter, and beat a lot of serious guys. I'd say perhaps on a par with Calzaghe, although it's a shame he fought that fight too far in taking on Hatton.

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FELIX TRINIDAD - No. Just no. Seriously, you've got to be kidding me, right?



OSCAR DE LA HOYA - Good case here - De La Hoya has beaten a hell of a lot of great guys, and other than vs. Hopkins never been decisively beaten himself. Although Calzaghe still has the potential to overtake him I think I'll give you this one.

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RICARDO LOPEZ - Same issue with Lopez as with Toney & Barrera. Fought some of his best years before Calzaghe began as a pro. To illustrate my point, by the time Calzaghe began his pro career, Lopez was already 35-0 for ****'s sake...

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WINKY WRIGHT - Just no, dude. I just don't see how there's any possible way you can justify this one. Heard of Harry Simon, have you?

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FLOYD MAYWEATHER - As much as I don't like Mayweather, I can't **** with the guy's record.

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JOHNNY TAPIA - NOT A CHANCE. Simple as that.

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You think Roy Jones JR and Joe Calzaghe are "on a par"?

 

Nice well reasoned post.


Got to question you though on the "on a par" bit with Jones? Are you just considering the Jones post 97 and including him getting KTFO a couple of times and his shakey form since as a balancer?

 

Prime for prime if DLH was a SMW could he really have enough in him to beat calzaghe?

 

p4p if they fought in the same division who would win

 

Agreed. You're getting too worked up though.

 

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No hopers clearly u are basing this on crap that people like Larry Merchant said or his last couple of fights ..The man is still regarded as one of the best fighters of our generation but you find a reason to hate ?

His accolades can not be denied all those no hopers you just stated included most of the lt heavy weight division and fighters that were as notable as Hopkins and James Toney .But yet u call them no hopers :huh

I think you have been influenced waaaaaaaaaaay too much by the broadcast team at hbo !

 

anyway pac my new best mate,lets get down to it.what's your beef with joe?