The 1990's. The best decade of talents at heavyweight?

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  1. Mendoza

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    I'm thinking yes. The era had several active hall of fame members, and excellent depth.

    A snap-shot of the Ring Annual ratings on 1990, 1995, and 1999!


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    Gold = Hall of fame heavyweight + top 30 all time heavyweight.

    Silver/ Gray = top 75 all time heavyweight, or say a contender in any era.

    Bronze / Brown = Arguably top 100 heavyweight, capable of upseting a much higher ranked fighter.


    1990:

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    Carl Williams
    Francesco Damiani
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    1995


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    Bruce Seldon
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    Alexander Zolkin
    Henry Akinwande


    1999

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    Michael Grant
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    Derrick Jefferson
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    This stands the test of time and there are very few men ranked who in hindsight should not have been ranked.
     
  2. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Yes. The best era in heavyweight history in my humble opinion.
     
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  3. Azzer85

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    The rankings of 1991 were much better.

    Holyfield
    Tyson
    Bowe
    Lewis
    Moorer
    Foreman
    Ruddock
    Mercer
    Witherspoon
    Tucker

    Morrison and Holmes just missed out.
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    It was absolutely the best era in terms of raw "talent" and the highest concentration of heavyweight greats ( with the 70's being an honorable mention. ). "structurally" however the dynamics made for some slight criticism.

    1. R. Bowe and Lennox Lewis never fought each other

    2. Tyson vs Holyfield came too late as did Holyfield vs Lewis

    3. You had two 40+ comeback champions who breached the top 10 and one of them even captured the crown.

    4. You had two of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history from lesser fighters over ATG's, ( Tyson vs Douglas and McCall vs Lewis. )

    5. You had men like Bruce Seldon, John Ruiz, and Frans Botha who ended up with belts.

    6. One of the decades biggest names was abscent for nearly half the Period ( Mike Tyson. )
     
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  5. mr. magoo

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    It was a magnificent year. At least four names on that list make most people's top ten ATG heavys while a few of the others made top 30-50. I don't think there was ever another single year where you had that much concentration of greatness in one top 10.
     
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  6. Saad54

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    Great post
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    The 1970s were better.
    Flabby old versions of Larry Holmes and George Foreman being at all worthy of top 10 ranking in the 1990s basically proves it.
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Take a look at the lower half of the top 10 in 1970

    Muhammad Ali
    George Foreman
    Oscar Bonavena
    Jerry Quarry
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    From number 5 onward you had Mac Foster, an aging Henry Cooper, aging Chuvalo, ancient Liston and Urtain and Garcia.
    Now Let's look at 1971

    Muhammad Ali
    Jerry Quarry
    George Foreman
    Oscar Bonavena
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    How about 72?

    Muhammad Ali
    George Foreman
    Jimmy Ellis
    Ron Lyle
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    1973

    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Frazier
    Ken Norton
    Jerry Quarry
    Ron Lyle
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    1974

    George Foreman
    Joe Frazier
    Ron Lyle
    Oscar Bonavena
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    From 1975 onward these top ten's get worse. I think a 40 plus year old Foreman could have easily beaten most of the men in these top ten's and depending on who was holding the crown could have captured the title with the right window of opportunity.. Jimmy Ellis, Leon Spinks, and a 35 year old 1978 version of Norton would all be potential victims. A 40 year old Holmes would have less success, but he'd still crack top 10 based on what I'm seeing above, and while he probably wouldn't have been champ, he never won the title in the 90's either... The upper echelon of the 90's which included Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, etc would fight on even or better terms with an aging Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton and a 70's George.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

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    :deal Great post.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    To be balanced lots of decades have fights that never happened or happened too late. Other decades have wars, and way back when legal issues in hosting fights! Upsets can happen at any time.

    But for raw talent the 1990's decade is tops for me.

    When you have a lot of talent, you often do not have one guy running the table. It was the same way in the 1970's ad they had multiple lineal champions. I don't think many people count short termed alphabet belt holders as champions.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    Every decade has its strengths and weaknesses. The 90's had the highest concentration of raw talent while the 70's had the rivalries and rematches that make for an exciting era.
     
  12. Azzer85

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    It's a shame everything fell apart.

    Tyson went south.

    Bowe fought Holyfield and then squandered everything.

    Foreman kind of held the title hostage

    Only Holyfield and Lewis really cleaned up.

    Its a shame we didn't see Holyfield/Ruddock and Lewis/Holmes/Foreman.
     
  13. Azzer85

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    But Holmes and Foreman weren't just any old pensioners.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    Even a guy like Bruce Seldon could have fared well against the Larry Middleton's, Chuck Wepners, Jose Urtain's, and Jack Bodell's who all made the top 10 in the early 70's.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Seldon was a good boxer. He was fast and he had some power. In fact, he had Oliver McCall on ***** street! Some felt before he was exposed that he was going to be excellent.

    Ring Magazine had an article on young guns. They listed the names Mercer, Seldon, Morrison, Lewis and Bowe before any won a belt.

    They had Seldon 2nd, behind Bowe! 3rd was Morrison, 4th Lewis and 5th Mercer.

    Seldon, he just could not take a punch and lacked intangibles when he was hit.

    Yeah, he'd probably beat the above fighters you mentioned.