What do you think the five greatest results in the history of boxing are? That is, the five single results that provide the biggest amount of credit for the winning fighter? I will get the ball rolling - here are my five picks. 1) Roberto Duran WPTS Sugar Ray Leonard. This is my pick for the best win in the history of boxing. Leonard inarguably is one of the greatest 5 Welter's in history and many hold him as the very best head to head (though not myself). Roberto, an all natural lightweight, skips a division to take him on and batters him back on points. Did Sugar fight the wrong fight? Absolutely. Did Roberto fight a near-perfect one? Yes. Massive win. 2) Sam Langford KO19 Harry Wills. This one is suppposed to have been very much in the balance and scheduled for 20 time was running out. According to what I have it was a one punch KO. Talk about carrying your power into the late rounds...Langford, who fought at werights below 150lbs shows extraordinary durability to take out a fighter who was 11th on my last heavyweight list. Awesome. 3) Ezzard Charles K08 Archie Moore. Charles had already beaten Moore twice, so the master boxer and ring genius had ample opportunity to get the make of his man. Yet the third fight drew the most decisive result of them all. It is said that Charles was out on his feet; i've also heard it said that Moore was unlucky not to get the nod in the second fight, but you can't argue with KO8 over perhaps your nearest rival in your divisions history. 4) Ezzard Charles WPTS Charley Burley I. Charles was green and very young. Burley was close to the height of his considerable powers. It seems that Burley came to punch him out and got nowhere. Charles decked him, Charles might even have bossed him; I give Burley a bit of a pass for the second defeat (it was part of a crazy few weeks for that fighter) but this one is a beautiful win. 5) Joe Frazier WPTS Muhammad Ali. Frazier outhustles and outhearts the greatest figher in the history of his division close to his prime. A legacy maker. There are literally hundreds to chose from. Can you narrow it down to your own five...in order?
Mine is quite different from yours, a bit more mainstream I'd say. It's not just the win but when the win occurred, when the loser was the hottest thing out there, the most recognizable name in the sport. These are highly meaningful wins. Hagler over Hearns Douglas over Tyson Foreman over Frazier Ali over Foreman Flowers over Greb for the title. and in my own personal view either Sandoval-Chandler or Hearns-Duran. I don't know which was more shocking.
Wow, top five? In terms of historical importance or from an unlikely winner or just a huge fight? Some of each for me are...... Schmelling vs. Louis both one and two. Ali vs. Liston Ali vs. Foreman Douglas vs. Tyson Corrales vs. Castillo I
Mcgrain you already know I'm not big a leonard fan but you really think Duran beating leonard was that big a deal at the time? Leonard only had one defense so how could he already be top five welterweight?
These two made my short-list. The reason I went for Ali-Frazier over them both - the Greb that Flowers beat was past his prime, fading. It's still a very wonderful win, but could Greb really have been expected to beat another great fighter at that point? What do you think? Ali over Foreman was a very close one. But I rate Foreman lower than most folks on this board, between 12 and 15, so I view the Frazier win - Ali close to peak - as more impressive. Hagler-Hearns is an interesting pick. I was a kid when that fight was fought, but with 20-20 hindsight i'd see Hagler as a favourite...
The five wins that provide the biggest amount of credit for the winner in terms of legacy. The first one made my shortlist. I just think Frazier's win v Ali is a shade better, almost nothing in it. I disagree about Louis' win over Schmeling. Max was probably past prime by the time he beat Louis the first time, never mind the second....don't forget Max had been left out in the cold a bit, too, whilst Louis had been decimating the division.
Tell you what, i'm not going to debate Leonard with you ad nauseam, but this is a valid point. In riposte - Leonard looked amazing in the rematch a few months later, and already had a KO win over an all time great from his division in Benitez. In other words, he was right between two of the best wins that would ever appear on his glittering resume. Yes, I think he was already exhibiting the skills that would make him an ATG head to head and he was on his way to becoming an ATG on resume. At the time? Don't know or care really pal, I know what I see when looking back though.
I don't believe these are great wins. I see them as *******ised wins where the inferior fighter won. Leonard clowned Duran for a reason, a far greater win in my opinion.
Why is it a better win if the favorite wins than if the underdog wins? Especially considering both were at their best when the underdog won.
My boxing knowlede doesn't go back as far as most on the classic forum....but I'd like to list the five most miraculous wins that I've seen....i.e. wins that were in significant fights and weren't really supposed to happen.....I hope it's ok with you McGrain. Julio Cesar Chavez KO12 Meldrick Taylor Meldrick Taylor was emerging as the unlikely star of the 1984 olympic team. Breland, Tate, Biggs, Tillman, and Whitaker had lost, but Taylor was a champion and was looking more impressive with each fight. Chavez was a great pressure fighter with plenty of good wins in lower weight classes, but Taylor was a different story. Taylor had everything needed to put an end to Chavez' long winning streak. Chavez followed his fight plan impecably through the offensive firestorm that Taylor unleashed, and delivered a spectacular comeback KO in a unificaton match. Roberto Duran W12 Iran Barkley Iran Barkley had just stopped Thomas Hearns, a fighter who had easily defeated Duran, to win the WBC middleweight title. Duran's comeback was seen as being kind of like George Foreman's....a sideshow act of sorts. The fact that Duran was getting a title shot was chaulked off to his marquee name being lucrative for the promoters. The comebacking Duran merely raised a few eyebrows when he weighed in well under the middleweight limit, but the effort that he put forth was possibly the most technically sound one that I've ever seen. Duran relied completely on ring savy and was so effective that he had Barkley reeling from shots that he didn't see coming on several occasions. Julian Jackson KO2 Terry Norris Jackson was given little chance against the rising TV network star....and after Norris carried the first round with relative ease, it seemed as though the general consensus was right on target....we were going to see the crowning of a new champion in a dominating performance. But Jackson had other ideas....he stayed with his plan and it payed off in spades. Erik Morales W12 Manny Pacquaio After Pacquaio's fightening destruction of Marco Antonio Barrera and near destruction of Juan Manuel Marquez, Erik Morales seemed to be faced with an almost unwinnable match....especially coming off of his loss to Barrera. Morales fought....well....like Morales. And there was just something about Morales' style that Pacquaio couldn't quite get past. Every time that Pacquaio mounted one of his fierce assaults, Morales would back away, wait for Paquaio to finish, and then press forward with his own attack. Evander Holyfield KO11 Mike Tyson Mike Tyson was on the comeback and it would only be a matter of time before he was back atop the heavyweight scene, bringing the sport of boxing to the public eye once again. Evander Holyfield was on the decline, having lost to Bowe and Moorer and having been diagnosed with a heart ailment....he couldn't have had more going against him. Tyson entered the ring the champion and a huge favorite, and even the most dedicated Holyfield fans seemed to fear for him. As it turned out though, Tyson hadn't been significantly tested in years, and a rejuvinated Holyfield provided a test that Tyson wasn't able to pass.
It's better than OK, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your excellent post. Different experts in different era's is one of the things I was after when I opened the thread. I think all your picks are defendable and these two made my shortlist, though I discarded Holyfield-Tyson pretty early, because A) I picked it :yep and B) Tyson had already been beaten by an inferior fighter. The Barkley win came closer to making the final cut but I guess I chopped it on account of the fact that Barkley is not a great fighter in the sense that these other men are - although i agree with you that it is one Duran's greatest wins.
These are good picks too Warchild, especailly Jackson-Norris and Taylor Chavez. Taylor looked like a whirlwind in there!
duran leanord was one of the greatest fights in boxing history as was frazier over alis you dont know **** if you dont know that
Marciano -Walcott 1 Chavez-Taylor 1 Douglas-Tyson Hagler -Hearns and a personal favorite was Jorge Castros come from behind KO of John David Jackson