the '67 heavyweight tournament - what if?

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mildenberger was certainly troubling, but would he offer Patterson the same troubles as he did Ali? Or would Floyd improve on Ali's showing against Karl like he did against Cooper, whom he ko'ed far more emphatically than did Ali?
     
  2. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    I simply don“t know. Did Floyd fight more than one portsider? Agosto? Mildenberger could have fiddled his way to a decison (absolutly in Germany). Floyd did not have the brute power to blow Karl aside as Bonavena had. On the other hand I am very fond of watching dear old Floyd outpoint Oscar and at times make it look easy. Styles makes fights - And I love thinking about the good old 60ties and 70ties heavyweights.

    Woller
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I believe that Floyd would have looked more impressive in kayoing Mildenburger than Ali, as he did in stopping Henry Cooper, as I alluded to previously, but certainly Karl had a chance just based on his southpaw awkwardness. Let's say that Floyd did beat him, and you had as a field of finishers for the semi finals Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry and Patterson..and you guys were the matchmakers...what would the semi-matchups be?
     
  4. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Patterson vs Ellis-Well we know this fight actually took place but the result was controversial with some calling it a robbery.I disagree as I thought Ellis won the majority of early rounds against a passive Floyd,who did come on strong late.But all up I thought Ellis deserved the nod in a close one (although I haven't seen it for years and am going by memory) .I can't see a match up in 67 being much different.Both were evenly matched but Ellis' youth and greater activity give him the slightest of edges for a SD.

    Quarry vs Bonanvena-This is a great match up that I'm surprised never actually occured.They both were tough,had iron chins and decent power but Quarry had a big edge in talent.A lot of rounds would be very hard fought and close but Quarry was great at finding openings against aggressive fighters and this would allow him to outscore the aggressive Argentinian.Quarry scores a flash knockdown enroute to a unanimous decision.

    Ellis vs Quarry-Well it's the same final and it's safe to assume it would be the same result.Ellis keeps the fight at a distance with his very good jab and fast straight right and refuses to engage Quarry in any long exchanges thus preventing Jerry from finding any counter punching opporunities.In a dull affair Ellis scores more often and endures Quarry's occasional hard punches to take a decision in a tactical fight over his less experienced opponent.

    So the end result probably would've played out the same unless of course you throw guys like Frazier,Liston or perhaps even Chuvalo into the mix.Jimmy Ellis was the right man at the right time.
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, there would have been a chance that with different matchups from what was actually fought that the best man of the bunch, Jimmy Ellis would have come out on top again...I tend to agree with your picks by and large YG...the Quarry-Bonavena bout sounds plausible to me...Quarry winning it on the basis of his better skills, yet in a similar bout against Chuvalo, one would have thought the same thing, and a single lapse of attention, well maybe two lapses, allowing himself to be put in position to bew decked by Chuvalo, THEN unbelievably losing track of the count...well I agree with you on Quarry-Bonavena. I haven't quite decided on Ellis-Patterson yet.
     
  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first point about the tourney is that allmost all the fighters picked by experts like us lost so our current speculation is equally suspect. Secondly Liston was excluded for obvious commercial reasons and his perceived mob connections. Had Mathis fought Chuvalo at this point? if he hadn't then Chuvalo or Cooper should have been invited before Mathis, if Mathis had the win, then he should have been in with Spencer out.
    Cany really pick anyone to beat Ellis though, to be fair.
     
  7. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually considered the Quarry-Chuvalo fight when trying to decide Jerry's fight with Bonavena but I thought the chances of Quarry getting floored were remote and the chances of him again losing track of the count even remoter.

    Still Quarry was beating Chuvalo before his blunder and I just think he'd be able to do the same against the equally as crude Bonavena.