The 7 Reason's MAYWEATHER never Lost or Never Will..!!!

link2296 · Nov 27, 2009

Leonard said: ↑

"Oh oh oh, there you go. This dude beat this dude. This dude beat this dude. All these guys beating each other, but who's beaten floyd mayweather?"
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Most fighters realize that the 0 doesn't matter as much as the resume. No one could even question the greatness of Floyd if he fought a more appropriate tier of opponents over the past 7 years.

Would you rate Sven Ottke above Bernard Hopkins?

El Borracho · Nov 27, 2009

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Floyd Mayweather : The Sweet Science

by Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the Sweet Science is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.

Floyd is

rolling,

slipping,

pivoting at the waist,

feinting,

bobbing and weaving,

constantly displaying various modes of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.

When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by ad******g his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.

2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

the rhythm of offensive motion

the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm

(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.

6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, anglesall are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques modalities of rhythm.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the feel of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The Sweet Science
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cuchulain · Nov 27, 2009

Dunks said: ↑

Floyd Mayweather : The Sweet Science
by Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the Sweet Science is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

rolling,

slipping,

pivoting at the waist,

feinting,

bobbing and weaving,

constantly displaying various modes of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.

When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by ad******g his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.

2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

the rhythm of offensive motion

the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.

6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, anglesall are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques modalities of rhythm.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the feel of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The Sweet Science
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Here's a couple more

8. Shane Mosley

9. Paul Williams

(He never fought them).

Leonard · Nov 27, 2009

link2296 said: ↑

Most fighters realize that the 0 doesn't matter as much as the resume. No one could even question the greatness of Floyd if he fought a more appropriate tier of opponents over the past 7 years.

Would you rate Sven Ottke above Bernard Hopkins?
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I agree. And floyd doesn't necessarily have to take a beating. He could very well take paul williams, mosley, cotto, pacquiao, or margarito to school. That would only show how great he really is. He just has to fight these guys or other quality opposition. Floyd has great skills, there's no denying that.

link2296 · Nov 27, 2009

Leonard said: ↑

I agree. And floyd doesn't necessarily have to take a beating. He could very well take paul williams, mosley, cotto, pacquiao, or margarito to school. That would only show how great he really is. He just has to fight these guys or other quality opposition. Floyd has great skills, there's no denying that.
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Yup...so have you asked yourself, "why doesn't he make these fights happen?"

Hmmm...

Leonard · Nov 27, 2009

link2296 said: ↑

Yup...so have you asked yourself, "why doesn't he make these fights happen?"

Hmmm...
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as do most of us here i guess haha

Charlie Z · Nov 27, 2009

1 reason why he will "manny pacquios the reason"

elmaldito · Nov 27, 2009

Good article and noone is beating mayweather anytime soon. Not mosley, pac, or paul williams.

41fever · Nov 27, 2009

Blind Sheikh said: ↑

Being a welterweight that doesn't fight welterweights helps too.
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gud 1!

caneman · Nov 27, 2009

Dunks said: ↑

Floyd Mayweather : The Sweet Science

by Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the Sweet Science is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.

Floyd is

rolling,

slipping,

pivoting at the waist,

feinting,

bobbing and weaving,

constantly displaying various modes of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.

When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by ad******g his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.

2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

the rhythm of offensive motion

the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm

(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.

6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, anglesall are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques modalities of rhythm.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the feel of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The Sweet Science
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Retiring at an early boxing age when the oppposition seems to be too challenging helps preserve a deceiving undefeated record. With great reasoning ie. "I want to spend more time with my family" helps deflect criticism from knowledgable boxing fans.

BITCH ASS · Nov 27, 2009

I agree that at least for the most part, Floyd has mastered the sweet science; I'm not entirely sold on his ability to be the aggressor.

Against Sharmba for instance, he wasn't making as much of an impact or looking as good as we would usually expect from Floyd, but I also understand that under most circumstances, Floyd will never have to play the roll of the aggressor.

Although, I think he would have a hella of a difficult time with contemporary opponents like the Forrest that beat Mosley for instance because I don't think Floyd could win a fight with him with his defense alone.

But as a defensive specialist, and considering his lack of opposition, I would say he mastered the Sweet Science, but he is NO Sugar Ray Robinson or even Sugar Ray Leonard for that matter, and I'm sure a select number of other fighters that I have not spent enough time analyzing to determine what type of fighters they were.

At any rate though, SRL and SRR who are better than Mayweather were both beaten before, so Mayweather can be beat, but with the current crop of opposition, it is highly unlikley.

Mayweather is a great fighter though, but his resume is pitiful for an ATG, and that's both his fault and the fault of the era.

Scar · Nov 27, 2009

Even if Mayweather fights and destroys Pacman he WON'T get the credit he deserves. Won't people say he's as big as Marquez too?

Look, even if he fights and destroys the entire Chavez family, which I'm sure he can, all in the same night he won't get any credit.

SOUTHERMOST · Nov 27, 2009

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LastQuark · Nov 27, 2009

Floyds cowardice trumps all the talent he has. He looked good fighting only when he is not challenged.

link2296 · Nov 27, 2009

Scar said: ↑

Even if Mayweather fights and destroys Pacman he WON'T get the credit he deserves. Won't people say he's as big as Marquez too?

Look, even if he fights and destroys the entire Chavez family, which I'm sure he can, all in the same night he won't get any credit.
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I disagree. Floyd will have nothing left to prove in boxing if he defeats a fighter who is being labeled as, not only the p4p best, but an ATG with the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pepp, Roberto Duran, and Cassius Clay.

If he beats this version of Pac decisively, he will be labeled as the greatest fighter of our lifetime...easily.

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