The 90s are a true golden HW era; HW 70s are nostalgia...

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  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    The 90s are a true golden HW era;HW 70s are nostalgia...
    https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1991
    1.Holyfield
    2.Tyson
    3.Bowe
    4.Ruddock
    5.Mercer
    6.Foreman
    7.Witherspoon
    8.Tucker
    9.Lewis
    10.Moorer
    The 70s after Manila don't have that shine anymore, and the 90s are great from start to finish; from the biggest surprise in history in Tokyo to the Lewis Vs. Holyfield 1 and 2 fights.
    In 1976, Frazier "leaves the scene", and in 1977, Foreman.
    https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1999
    At the end of 1999 Vitaly Klitschko is the seventh HW.
    1999 Vitaly becomes the WBO world champion and everyone will say: "1999 WBO was not the main belt", but in the fight Foreman Vs. Morrison; 6 years earlier, the WBO was an important belt (Foreman wanted the title anyway).
    The nineties are shining brighter as they go on, and the seventies are fading more and more with the "departures" of Frazier and then Foreman.
    Foreman appears in both decades, as does Holmes, which is, in itself, proof that the HW 90s are a golden era.
    The 70s don't have a single ranking list where Moorer's strength would be tenth.
    The 90s are a true golden HW era;HW 70s are nostalgia...
    1.Holyfield
    2.Tyson
    3.Bowe
    4.Ruddock
    5.Mercer
    6.Foreman
    7.Witherspoon
    8.Tucker
    9.Lewis
    10.Moorer
    Not here: Vitali, Holmes, Morrison, Golota, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Akiwande, Hide, Bruno, Douglas ...
    1999:
    1. Lewis
    2. Holyfield
    3. Grant
    4. Ibeabuchi
    5. Tua
    6. Tyson
    7. Vitaly
    8. Golota
    9. Jefferson
    10. Maskaev
     
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  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    Had the fight Lewis Vs. Bowe, would the 90s be the "Golden HW Era" or what would have to happen in the 90s so that they would not be the "Silver HW Era"?
     
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  4. People's Champ

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    100% agree. Left a much longer post the other day on this same topic.
    70s were great too for sure, but boxing fans have a bad habit of discrediting more modern eras in favor of the old timers.
    I also believe H2H, 90s era would dominate the guys from the 70s
     
  5. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    H2H for sure.
    1999:
    1. Lewis
    2. Holyfield
    3. Grant
    4. Ibeabuchi
    5. Tua
    6. Tyson
    7. Vitaly
    8. Golota
    9. Jefferson
    10. Maskaev
    Ibeabuchi and Golota with a decent psychological level would have been a problem in the HW 70s.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    How many cattle did the 90's bench press?
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because they were bigger right? And you might be right.

    But the biggest of that erea would be just average in size today.
     
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The only argument I can see for the 90's is that they were bigger an therefore better h2h. But in that case I suppose the current era is the best of all.

    A major drawback for the 90's is that the best fights happened at least five years to late. In fact Bowe-Lewis and Bowe-Tyson didn't happen at all and Tyson-Lewis didn't happen in that decade because Tyson ducked him.

    In the 70's, the big fights happened when they were at the most relevant. Frazier-Norton is the one we never got to see,

    And, as I said, if you want to do they were big bad h2h monsters compared to the 70's, then remember that Ike and Tua would be dwarfed by Dubois, Kababyel and Bakole, and Morrison by Anderson. You should also remember how relatively well old Foreman and Holmes did in the 90's,
     
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  9. Unique Way

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    As I said in another thread, 90s were by far the most interesting era to me, but mostly because of the fights that happened at the lower level. In fact, tons of great fights were missed in 90s between its best fighters:

    - Lewis vs Bowe
    - Bowe vs Tyson
    - Lewis vs Tyson (it happened eventually in 2002 when the fight has become pretty much irrelevant)

    Also, Holyfield vs Tyson in 1991 and Holyfield vs Lewis in 1996-97 or even in 1994 would be better than when they have actually happened.

    So, the only fights between 4 best heavyweights of that era has happened between Holyfield and Bowe when they were in their primes. Well, you can add Holyfield vs Tyson because both were about equally past their respective primes, but still I think that fight would be better and more dynamic in 1991.

    Talent wise 90s were fantastic of course, but boxing politics prevented a lot of great fights from happening and allowed guys like Seldon and Bruno to win the titles
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes. This was after all an era where they held titles and Moorer, Foreman and Briggs were lineal champions.
     
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  11. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    Top HW 70s fights that didn't happen:
    - Ali Vs. Holmes (it happened eventually in 1980 when the fight has become pretty much irrelevant)
    - Foreman Vs. Holmes (a fight that unfortunately didn't happen in the 90s either)
    - Frazier Vs. Holmes
    - Frazier Vs. Norton
     
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  12. Mike Cannon

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    Hi Buddy.
    I was just viewing a YT with Simon Jordan and Spencer Oliver ( who is very poor ) they were discussing the current HW scene , it got me to looking up the rankings, so we have in no particular order :
    Usyk - very good fighter, but near the end.
    Parker - fairly competent, but no earthshaker.
    Zhang - Old
    Kabayer - who ?
    Bakole - big and strong, but untested.
    Joshua - busted flush
    Hrgovic- hasn't turned up .
    Ajagba - who ?
    Wardley - can punch a bit.
    Really, is this state of current HW boxing, dear oh dear....
    stay safe fellow posters.
     
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  13. People's Champ

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    Not just bigger, but they fought more aggressively in my opinion. I'm not a huge fan of the 15 round fights, as I've stated before. Sure those guys had more stamina, but they also had a lot more rounds of guys just playing padicakes. The 12 round guys just got down to business quicker.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    70s featured 4 top 10 Heavyweights of all time Holmes, Ali, Frazier, Foreman.

    You also had Foreman, Holmes, in their 40s who were from the 70s era competing in the 90s era.

    The issue was for the 90s era is that apart from Bowe vs Holyfield none of the top fighters fought eachother in their primes.
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

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    I could believe this, if a geriatric from the 70s didn’t come back to win the heavyweight championship, and another (Holmes) was still a force upon his return.