The ability to clinch and hold, is an important skill.

Well, you're asking two questions here. Is some holding legal? Yes, and if that is the question, I have no issue with it. Is excessive holding legal? No, it isn't and it quite rightly has got fighters disqualified in the past. You can't use illegal tactics to stop a fighter from fighting his fight. It's illegal for a reason.

If it's excessive, it's cheating and should be punished. If it's not excessive, there's not an issue.

 

I loved the way Shane used the clinch in the Margo fight and simply unloaded at the right time.

 

Well not getting clinched is also a bit of a skill (ie, not getting your offense smothered), and Packy's pretty damn good at that. This is the main reason why no one ever fights him on the front foot.

 

Come on now, sure hold when you are rocked or tie your man up now and then, but against a guy who is so much smaller, older, weighs far less?? Manny Steward had to roast him in the corner for that.

It was such a bad mismatch, and he still had to resort to holding on for dear life whenever Mormeck got in close. Couldn't he stand he stand his ground more, use movement to give himself space and then throw shots?

Sorry but you can't make excuses for Wlad here. The ref and Manny was on his case for it. Legal or not, it still made him look a muppet against another matched punch bag Haye leftover who did next to nothing.

 

How I see it is Cotto(e)'s paper face would have held on long enough for him to win if he knew how to clinch, even with that special stuff in margarito(e)'s mitts

 

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Was more of a skill back in the day.....Past Fighters were better at it......but it stills important these days......

 

Exactly. Saying "Wlad holds" is like saying "Abner Mares occasionally lands a borderline shot". It's absurd. Wlad purposefully spoils in order to negate his opponents strengths. That's illegal.

Nobody is going to argue that all holding is illegal. What people will argue though is that when a fighter needlessly holds to make it impossible for his opponent to work on the inside, it should be punished.

 

Alrighteeey then. Quite disappointing Thawk, go get some coffee (or some of that crystal u cook up in yor garage). You're obviously off your game.

 

Fighting from the grasp is part of ring generalship

 

No need. You hang yourself enough with your own comments.

 

Lol...that's rich. What are press conferences "only" for again? And don't ya hate it when a fully grown man continually rags on another man like a lil *****? Don't make me have to dig **** up, ya know the deal.

 

Difference is, one does it to get media attention, keep his name in the news and attention and interest in a fight that will probably never happen.

The other is a guy on an internet forum. :think