The AJ "scared" double standards

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  1. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    AJ is supposedly a b**** cause he ran from Ruiz in the second fight. No doubt he didn't fight his usual fight. I'm not going to deny that. But he had a reason, he got KTFO in the first one while going for the KO.

    Fury fought scared in Wilder 1 and Wlad. No combos, no taking advantage of countering opportunities, just wanting to win on avoiding punches and landing jabs and the occasional decently hard punch. This is why he was robbed vs Wilder (had him winning 10 rounds). Too scared to capitalize on countering opportunities. Didn't go for anything in either of these two fights.

    Now, I don't have a problem with that. He won. But AJ landed better punches on Ruiz than Fury did on those two performances. Why are Fury's timid performances swept under the rug? Does anyone believe that those performances were not timid?
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, such thing might wrote only A.J fan.
    A.J vs Ruiz fight result was A.J had been stopped in distance by heavy underdog, guy insulted in YT and forums comments before fight.
    Fans often had posted " how long Ruiz will last ".
    Outcome was A.J finished in distance.
    In rematch A.J had landed so " impactful punches " on Ruiz by avoiding middle- close range fight and using his advantages in better reach and legs to score UD win on points.
    For A.J fans this is enough to declare A.J as hero and talk how " pillow fisted " Fury is.

    Fury had been supposed as rusty and maybe even obese heavy underdog before Wilder I fight.
    He still had performed considerably better than forums posters had predicted.
    Then he had improved and then again. Motivated and improved Fury version was different Fury.

    A.J is not less " pillow fisted " than Fury and Fury is large! LARGE and good in clinches.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Double standards. Fury would get a large amount of credit for boxing Ruiz's head off but not Aj

    Pretty much it. People treat Fury like he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. His story of overcoming depression and overcoming Wilder after having to pick himself up of the canvas twice is pretty inspirational. But they're also treating Aj like the villian who has no chin and no heart and got exposed by Ruiz despite achieving more than Fury did in the pros in a shorter amount of time.

    If Aj actually manages to beat him the excuses will be flying. "Fury was inactive" would be the most prevalent one
     
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  4. Hoddsey

    Hoddsey New Member Full Member

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    I think it's unfair to say AJ ran - especially as that is typically the style of fighting Fury favours. He outfoxed and outworked his former conqueror in fairly impressive fashion. Nothing wrong with seeing a boxing match every once in while instead of a slugfest.
     
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  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't had saw how A.J had boxed Ruiz's head off, dear A.J fan.
    Ruiz finished A.J in distance and best A.J performance vs not motivated Ruiz was win on points while A.J fans see this as " boxing Ruiz's head off ". :D
    If A.J will defeat Ruiz in 3 rd fight then I might think that he is better than Ruiz. Only then.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Utter Bias
     
  7. Boomstick

    Boomstick Active Member Full Member

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    I’d say it’s a fair point, but I think context is key though.

    I think the way the 1st Ruiz fight ended provides ammunition to the argument against AJ, as does the rematch. Ruiz dropped him and finished him, with AJ seemingly capitulating. He then fought cautiously and tentatively in the rematch.

    Where as Fury got dropped, but turned up the heat from that point on, and had it carry over into an aggressive and dominant performance in the rematch.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I think it's because of the general perception that Joshua is a puncher, who goes in there to take somebody out whereas Fury has almost always been the boxer-type he was vs Wlad and in the Wilder fight. Joshua's performance in the Ruiz rematch is labelled running and as cowardly compared to how he normally fights. Fury, on the other hand, has set an extremely low standard in that regard compared to Joshua. When Fury does it, he's a boxing genius. When Joshua does it, he's a ***** with a phobia of Mexican fat men.

    Although I feel like that position comes out of sheer hate, or ignorance. Joshua's always been able to box, as he shown in the amateurs.
     
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  9. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Yeah, I have no problem with it. As long as he doesn't always fight like that. And he didn't vs Pulev, the beautiful combinations that made me become a fan of his were back.
     
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  10. Surrix

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    Well, if some EE boxer maintains distance and wins fight on points fans in forums are posting: he had been scared from opponent's power etc.
    If A.J maintains distance and score point win, then it is different for forum posters and they does not post: A.J had been scared from Ruiz's power and danced ukrainian dance around Ruiz to score point win.

    Double standarts does have a lot of posters and how nice that they love to call posters not agreeing with them as biased, double standart etc alike.

    A.J was not capable to finish Ruiz, Fury was capable to finish Wilder.
    Even Ruiz was capable to finish A.J.
    Big question who is better boxer there.
     
  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    But actually, the situations are quite similar. Both changed approaches after a loss / scare. Fury fought timidly and it almost got him finished. Joshua fought more aggressively and got him KO'd. Both changed approach, both did better the second time. Don't see the issue with either.
     
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  12. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury and Wlad both are comfortable in clinches and there this fight was what it was.
     
  13. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    And Fury won a horrible fight on points vs Wlad, doing 0 damage. AJ finished him.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You think Fury would finish Ruiz ? How stupid are you ? If Fury went in there looking to take Ruiz out he'd get blitzed just like Aj. Ruiz throws quick combinations unlike wilder and has a good chin unlike Wilder. Two entirely different opponents
     
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  15. Hoddsey

    Hoddsey New Member Full Member

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    Agreed. It wasn't the Joshua we were used to seeing but I don't mind him showing off his boxing and movement every now and again. I really enjoyed the Pulev fight, I thought he blended his boxing and power punching very effectively.
     
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  16. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    U mandatory need serious damage to get proof that boxer is good?
    Clinch fight is cool game, I suggest you to watch beautiful thing: stadium MT fights.

    Fury won Wlad who held belt.
    A.J won beltless 41 y.o Wlad and is credited in forums like he had won 31 y.o Wlad version.

    Unlike Tyson never had get so high credit in forums for coming out of retirement Holmes beatup despite looks that Holmes was younger than 41 then.

    Because FANS love double standarts and surnames in resumes more than reality.
    Also love to call their opponents as haters etc because they are FANS and HATERS.