The Ali (that beat Cleveland Williams) vs Tyson (that beat Spinks)

The fight can only play out those 3 ways?

I can definately see Ali stopping Tyson late. Since you're using Frazier, who beat a past-prime Ali, then I'll use Douglas. Ali does everything better, and is better in every single department except power. Ali stops him inside the distance.

 

I'm as big a Lennox Lewis fan as anyone on this site - ask around and you'll find out :good

I just favour that version of Tyson over any version of Lennox that's all. I'm not saying Lennox can't win, of course he can....but Tyson back then was something else. Lennox has a greater legacy and will be remembered as a top 5 all time heavyweight by anyone that knows their **** but 86-89 Tyson could have beaten anyone. I don't believe a prime Lewis could boast the same, even though he has the better legacy.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl And Williams aint pushover, this man gave Liston hell. Great Punching Power

 

Indeed. It's one of those fights that people need to watch, to dispell the myth that he couldn't fight coming forward. He came forward, and he destroyed Williams like nothing I've ever seen. While Williams was shot, literally, he still had power.

 

I've got an old Ali VHS somewhere that says when the fight with Williams was stopped the punch stats were Ali landed 100 punches, Williams landed THREE.

If that's true then it's astounding, regardless of whether or not Williams was shot. The only other fight I can think of that might be similar is Calslappy V Manfredo but that was a bollocks fight anyway.

 

Yeah and thats why Ali never got hit and he painted Picasso on Williams face while backpedalin

and he was very merciful.. ending it as soon as needed be

 

I WAS USING FRAZIER AND ALI WASN'T PAST HIS PRIME ALI HAD A PRETTY LONG PRIME ACTUALLY

BUT I JUST DNT SEE ALI STOPING TYSON PEOPLE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE SPEED ISA HUGE DIFFERENCE TYSON WOULDN'T BE THE STATIONARY TARGET AND TYSON WAS UNDER TRAINED AND UNDERESTIMATED HIS OPPONET AND PRETTY MUCH HAD NO CORNER WITH OUTSIDE DISTRACTIONS. BUT ANWAYS I DNT FEEL ALI CAN ko TYSON TYSON WOULDN'T UNDERESTIMATE ALI WOULD BE A GOULD FIGHT THOUGH

 

Huh. That's interesting. I just don't see Tyson being able to fight Lennox effectively on the inside, when Lennox was so supremely good at holding and using his leverage.

And on the outside, Tyson eats jabs and chopping right hands. Mike never beat anyone at Lewis' level, whereas Lennox defeated Holyfield and a host of huge, talented prospects all hyped as the ones destined to dethrone him.

 

Ali WAS past his prime. Anyone who has seen the majority of his career can distinguish his prime from his "green" and "sliding" and "shot" stages. He was never the same after the layoff, much like Tyson after his jail stint. His reflexes and footspeed in particular were affected, with handspeed being affected too.

You think Frazier was a stationary target? He was a very hard fighter to hit with straight shots, his bobbing and weaving was extremely effective against a fighter like Ali. Unfortunately for him, it doesn't matchup well with clubbing shots and uppercuts from someone like Foreman. Unlike Tyson, Frazier had one of the biggest hearts in the sport, and endless stamina.

You think Tyson could keep up the workrate of Frazier for 15 rounds? You think when he's getting peppered with combinations from the outside and lunging at nothing he is going to just keep going all night like Frazier? Tyson's biggest downfall was his lack of heart (I'm not going to perpetuate the myth of when he gets hit back he gives up, because that's bull**** - however, when faced with dire circumstances and he was in trouble, he never responded well. Results prove this).

 

cool but fraizer didnt have tyson speed or power lets not forget his killer instinct i say tyson wins you got ali

im sorry but you make it sound like ali was old and **** when he lost to fraizer

 

How? I said his footspeed and relfexes were affected. Not gone. They were diminished - anyone who can't see the difference is blind.

Frazer did have Tyson's power in the left hook - the punch Ali was most vulnerable too. And he definately had his killer instinct, not so much early in the fight, but through the mid rounds and later on, he wanted blood, especially against Ali.

 

yeah he only had power in that one hand and decent power in the right but his power is no where near tyson's im not saying tyson has the greast power in history but his power was better then fraizers and he is in top 10 or top 5 for HW. tyson didn't only have power or head ,ovement but he was also agile and delivered unreal combo's it's the combanation of speed and power that i think would get to ali same goes visversa i just dnt think ali would ko tyson as he lagrly threw arm punches and did not put full power on them which is why i feel his power is underrated. but i just feel that version of tyson would get the ko or sd

 

ali easily by tko:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

 

I'd say ali by UD, but it would be a very tough fight.