The Ali vs. Holmes Sparring Myth

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  1. ThatOne

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  2. ThatOne

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    He weighed 212 1/2 for both of those fights. He weighed 216 1/2 for the Rumble In The Jungle. I don't believe he ever saw <220 again.
     
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  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great share, thanks a lot.
     
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes,Gene Kilroy offered to put some ice on the wounded eye but Holmes refused because he wanted to show "the black eye I got from Muhammad Ali"
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who are the other sparring partners?
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Just admit that in your incredible haste to disparage Ali you didn't even ****ing know what was actually asked or certainly couldn't comprehend it :lol:
     
  7. ThatOne

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    Ali let his sparring partners pound him. Cus D'Amato who loved Ali was watching him spar with Angelo Dundee. Cus remarked he was getting hit a lot to which Angie said I know but he likes getting hit to stay in shape. However at the end in the runup to the Holmes fight his sparring partner Tim Witherspoon sadly said Ali had nothing left and didn't believe the fight should go forward. Ali told him to hit him in the head and he couldn't. He said he just "slapped" his head.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes it's well documented Ali usually cruised in sparring.
     
  9. KidGalahad

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    this was part of a film, that is/was out there on youtube.
    the interesting thing is that this talk right at ringside during one of ali´s sparring sessions happened as early as 1970/71.
    d´amato sounded very worried about muhammad´s "full contact" training methods, while dundee tried to rationalize it and obviously didn´t take cus´ concerns seriously.

    as a first hand witness cus d´amato knew back then already.
    for all others it took 10 more years to learn that he was right.
     
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  10. White Bomber

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    I will admit that I misunderstood that post. I though he was referring to 60s Ali, not to his title reign in the 60s.
     
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  11. ThatOne

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    I like the YouTube where Ali is in dress clothes and he's exhibiting his moves for Cus. You could see the genuine affection they had for one another.
     
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