The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Ignorance? My bad, how ****ing stupid could one be to ask a suspected cheat to have to take PED tests, seriously profound logic.

 

Ok dude, you're right, no way Pac is using PED's and he shouldn't have to take tests because he gives his word he's not cheating.

 

That's not an issue for PBF, that is an issue with JMM, Marquez should have taken a ****ing stand and said "I'm not fighting, period". He didn't he accepted the penalty payment and fought anyway, so I don't see how the two things are related. JMM doesn't have the balls PBF does, he choose not to take a stand for himself, that's his deal not PBF. Just like all these guys who allow Manny to fight without taking PED tests, they are allowing this to happen to themselves, PBF isn't going to do it.

 

That's all cool I guess...but seriously when was the last time Pac took a PED test, seriously?

 

well i just read the sort of other side of the story to his argument.....i thought it made good points....but i might have to delete the guys name so it doesnt dirty the fact that his arguments are still VALID!

Brad H. (Tampa, FL): Seeing a much bigger Paul Williams get knocked out with one big shot made me reconsider my views on Pacquiao. Anything can happen on any given night, but he has become invincible against these bigger men/punchers! I never believed the steroids thing and don't want to now, but I really have questions. I just don't believe a much smaller man can develop toughness like we have seen at this stage in his career. Is this pretty much the reason for your suspicion, too?

Vivek W. (ESB): Brad, that's the million dollar question, my man! I've had to look at life deeply, and realize that in the most wicked criminal on the face of the planet, there's something positive; and within the heart of the most humble man, there is also room for deceit. No one is all of either! This has been the most troubling issue I've dealt with as a writer in the sport. Bar none! My son has a room full of Pacquiao and Mayweather posters, shirts, etc. At 5 years old, these are literally the first athletes he has EVER truly identified with and emulated. I was raised on principles and I raise him and my daughter with those same principles. How do I reconcile one hero refusing something I've taught him that every athlete should openly welcome, and the other being completely up for it? See how sensitive this issue is for me? It literally hits home!

Where my questions started was the fact that Pacquiao tipped the scales at the same mid to high 140's since '06 (as records show) yet was rocked far easier, and never did nearly as much physical harm to opponents who were lighter, smaller men. Fast forward a few years, and not only has his punch volume gone up compared to earlier in his career according to compubox stats, (which historically has gone down for men moving up in weight), but also, there's been a difference in his threshold for pain. I don't know what to say, other than the fact that I never questioned his talent one single time over the years until he declined blood based testing, despite his opponent being subjected to the same test. For me, that took things into a totally different direction. People say that Mayweather asked for the test to get him to decline. How do you know in advance that an athlete in a combat sport will refuse a blood based drug test, (of all things)? I can't recall that EVER happening in any sport!

Others say "why only Pacquiao"? Well, because the man he's destined to face is the only other man in the sport with enough status to demand such a thing. Welcome to the big league! You're no longer the only one on your level! Mayweather walked away from a $40M+ payday when ODH refused to give him the upper-hand in negotiations for a rematch after Floyd had already defeated him. That said something to me about his value of certain principles, because you wouldn't expect a man who calls himself "money" to walk away from a purse that big over glove sizes, or a ring size, and things like that! But he did! None of Pacquiao's other opponents would have made the decision to leave this type of money on the table, and none of them have the status to demand such a test! If men and women around the world who run or swim can agree to this very testing the day of the event and still break world records, it just baffles me how an athlete I admire can say no!

I advise anyone who says he is guilty to stop, because we don't know. But I would also advise anyone saying he isn't guilty to stop, because again, WE DON'T KNOW! What I do know is that you're right, Brad, some signs do point to something super-natural. It comes down to two things. If Pacquiao has in fact lost some of his greatness with age like everyone else, does this mean that 90% of him is suddenly this much better than everyone else? Or has he, closing in on 33 years of age with 50+ fights, somehow found a way to turn back the clock and stop his aging, which is precisely what these substances are designed to do? Neither scenario is comforting. Victor Conte is the master creator of these substances. He specifically said "2 months full random blood testing, and NO MORE THAN 5 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT AS AN EFFECTIVE CUT-OFF". Until Pacquiao goes from 7 days to 5 or less, I can only question his reasons for not taking the test! WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW!

im jus sayin...nahmsayin

 

But apparently that is not enough. Floyd Sr, Jr, and uncle Roger are the experts. Who are the so-called experts Floyd has to back his allegations? He cannot make DEMANDS on the commissions entrusted to make the tests only make REQUESTS, and he better have a LIVE competent expert to plead his case, other than himself, Sr., and uncle Roger. OJ had some of the very best lawyers on his defense, but even they had to hire the best forensic practitioners to establish reasonable doubt. Otherwise, if he is so in love with Olympic testing, he better try out for the London Olympics, let's see if he gets gold this time.

 

This basically sums up what rational people have been saying for a few months now, but what does anyone else know? I mean Pac promises he's not on drugs, so who are we to question that?

 

Absolutely...If I believed Floyd to be the problem I would be just as critical of him as I am of Manny. The bottom line is the guy doesn't want to take the tests and until it's agreed upon, there will be no fight. I recognize the presence of PED's in sports in general, because I pay attention to other sports it's clear that they make a significant difference in terms of results, and I've seen "good guys" get caught, so I don't automatically assume someone is innocent when I clearly see signs that demonstrate otherwise. If he submits to testing and it runs it's course, it doesn't make him "innocent" but it at least allows one to know that all that could have been done, was done. I would also be able to give him the benefit of the doubt, based on his transparancy and willingness to do what he could to demonstrate that he is not doping.

 

FUKIN OWNED THE PUNISHER...WOW

PUNISHER HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY OWNED BY THIS GUY:huh:roflhi:

THIS = WHY THE FUK PAC SHOULDA TAKEN THE TESTS IN THE FIRST PLACE...

 

emmanuel did not win, and he will not win.

 

I can't believe Floyd outsells Pac. I have gone to three Pac fights live, Corrales fights, Barrera fights, but would never dream of going to a May fight. I love his style but he just is not that exciting. Hard to believe he does better numbers than Pac. You figure Floyd would appeal to a more limited but snotty boxing purist audience. He is great, but some of his fights are predictably uninspiring.

 

hows that?

 

The guys who sold the most throughout the history of the sport did it with personality. They knew how to get strong reactions out of people. Floyd is very good at that. People either love him or hate him. You don't hear indifferent **** about him like he's cool.

 

This poll saids it ALL.

 

it's pretty obvious by now.