The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

tbh, its gonna be hard for Pac 2 hit Floyd flush consistently , floyd is gunna counter him off of those wild flurries

 

Lol. Glad you like it.

 

Some good debates going on in here, keep it up!

 

Pac's not going to chase floyd around all day unless he's behind on the cards..

You've seen him just stop cutting off the ring. Its not that he can't cut off the ring. There was no need to cut off the ring when you're ahead by a million points.

 

From what I remember, Cotto was in the fight first few rounds and was able to box Pac. Pac caught Cotto and knocked him down but I don't think he was seriously hurt, then the second knock down Pac timed Cotto to perfection and really hurt him. From the 2nd KD Cotto got on his bike, had 1 more decent round and could of finished the fight but got pulled because really there was no need to continue apart from pride.

Miguel I seem to remember landed a few lefts by timing Pac and had a few more opportunities to land punches but seemed hesistant at times where I'm sure Floyd would capitalize.

I realise I'm basing a lot of this on memory and I could check the clip but I'm a big Cotto fan and I hate the way this fight panned out after the build up and the first couple of rounds (I thought we'd finally be in for a competitive clash with Pac again and would of relished the chance to see these 2 go to war for 12 or to a kayo) and needless to say I don't like seeing Miguel lose.

Pacman boxed a great fight, but as much as the TS see's this fight as a Pac version to beat Floyd, I see the counterside from it and as much as I love the guy and admire his skills, Miguel Cotto Jr's are simply not on the same level as Floyd Mayweather Jr making it a whole lot easier for Manny to unleash his arsenal in this fight.

 

he wont have a choice if he allows Floyd to dictate pace and attack from the range Floyd is comfortable with...he's fukked...Floyd will potshot from distance and use multiple holds to negate exchanges.

Pac will definitely have to press Floyd.

What you think? How you see it?

 

This is why I don't think Pac will win. Judah had his early success because of his speed mixed with his counterpunching imo. I don't see Manny being able to counter Floyd like Zab did, not his style. If he lets Floyd dictate the pace it's going to be a long night for Manny. Floyd has the reach to get Manny from a distance and as you said he's intelligent enough to clinch when Mannys starts an attack. Honestly not sure why none of his previous opponents even tried to clinch like they should, maybe I'm just missing it. Floyd also bends over forward onto the fighter a lot ruining their chances to continue their combo. (not worded the best but I'm sure you all know what I mean.)

 

I don't think pressing him is the best thing for Pac, I only say this because in my opinion it's the easiest thing for Floyd to handle, because it's the way most everyone plans to attack him. I think he'd be better served to try and get into mid range, use quick combo's, and then move. That being said he is going to have be mindful of not getting into a rythmn that PBF can pick up on as this will lead to him getting "timed". He isn't overly effective on the inside, he can't operate at long rang, he's going to have work to mid range behind a jab and then be careful not to overpenetrate and get to the inside. It's a tough fight for Pac to win, and I'm not sure how exactly he is would or could win it.

 

Nah man. He didn't lay off the gas, he wanted that stoppage earlier, he wanted Cotto to continue doing the same thing. Cotto got on his bike and start potshotting trying to avoid exchanges. Pacquiao was visually frustrated, he wanted to impress the crowd...he didn't let Cotto off the hook until the last round, he just couldn't get the output on him to get him out of there.

 

Well i gotta give Pac credit with his attack now...when he presses and throws those combos he is a hell of a fighter and a very unique fighter...his press is not like anything Floyd has seen....and although i dont believe Pac will lasnd a whole lot and may even be getting beat when using this tactic but it only takes ONE punch to get through and land flush and Floyd has been hit cleanly before. With Pac's speed and power if he connects solid it could change the fight immediately.

 

He is not going to give him movements.

He definitely lost that fleetfootedness. He compensated by being able to move his upper body. But he employs a wide stance, which enables him to be like a bendie doll.

It does not make any sense to be potshotting Baldomir and stand toe to toe with Mosley, who gasses out. Standing toe to toe with Mosley increases the risk of getting hit big time by Mosley's right.

 

I think Pacquiao will be able to counter Mayweather somewhat early on. I believe it will take Mayweather a round or two to adjust to the speed. I'm thinking along the lines of the success Hatton had early on with the foot speed. I can see Mayweather trying to get his range, and Pacquiao countering whilst jumping in.

It would be interesting to see if Pacquiao could pull that off.

 

i honestly believe early on is when Pac has the best advantage and best window to get Floyd outta there and believe Pac may even catch him with a shot to hurt him....if Floyd can weather the early storm and even keep it even...i think the back stretch Floyd dominates.

 

Yeah I think the first few rounds are his best chance IMO. I don't think he can counter as well as Zab did, but I'm definitely not saying he can't counter Floyd. He's shown counter punching ability and I really want to see Roach's gameplan. If Pac can stun/hurt Floyd somewhat with a counter or flurry early on it could change the entire night.

 

I'm thinking the exact same thing. Try and catch Mayweather off guard with the speed. I wouldn't advise Mayweather if he does get hurt to start trading with Pacquiao like he did Mosley though...he could actually get stopped then. But you never know, Mayweather always pulls out surprises.