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The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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BigReg said: ↑

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Several of your points here are flat out wrong. Furthermore, even if what you said about the NSAC were correct, all you're doing is proving that they are open to bias. Whenwhile, the USADA is a non profit, government funded organization. They would have no motivation to screw anyone over.
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Hey --- Just answer one question .... if Mayweather declines to use the WADA for full random blood and urine testing, then what? Would you side with Mayweather and say that Pac should have used the USADA? I do believe for the last 2 years I have heard *****s say that there needs to be olympic style random testing.... will you change your rhetoric to include the USADA?

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I don't get it, Pac/Arum finally agreed to Floyd's demand of random blood test all the way to the fight,....but why does it seem that the *****s are angry?
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He didn't say that. He gave a vague answer like he always does. I have yet to hear anyone in Pac's camp say that word for word. Every time someone says they agreed to Floyd's testing demands later you hear that they want a cut off, so they never actually agreed. Wait till next year. Who cares what either side says, if it ain't in the contract it's bull****.

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USADA's zealot bossman, the lawyer Travis Tygart, is on a summer vacation but I was able to speak at length with the drug testing agency's media relations manager, Annie Skinner, twice on Monday concerning Manny Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum's proclamation that his side will accept fully random blood testing for a possible mega-fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. - if WADA, the world anti-doping organization handles it.

There is a continuing perception in the Pacman camp, according to Arum, that the Tygart-led agency, based in Colorado Springs, is uncomfortably close with American Mayweather. Such raw feelings have been made worse by Tygart's public references to Mayweather as "the clean athlete."

In Tygart's absence, Skinner assured me that USADA does not prejudge whether any athlete, domestic or foreign, is cheating by using banned drugs. Allegations have continually been made about Pacquiao using EPO and maybe other banned substances although no one has ever come up with a scintilla of evidence. Meanwhile, Pacman's defemation lawsuit against "Money" Mayweather continues.

"We certainly do not have a bias against any athlete," Skinner said. "We do not have a bias (favoring) one athlete over another. All athletes are presumed to be clean until such time as they are proven otherwise.

"But, when it comes to drug testing, USADA, which is a signatory to WADA rules, regulations and procedures, is the gold standard for sports in the United States. We completely adhere to all the international standards as promulgated by WADA."

She said that perhaps Arum has a misperception of how WADA operates, explaining "does not do any actual testing, they do not have the infrastructure to do that. You take (world soccer body) FIFA, the Swimming Federation and others...they are all signatories to WADA. What WADA does is contract out (the testing) to recognized doping control agencies in the different countries."

I asked Skinner if hypothetically a third party doping control laboratory or organization might be agreed to, thus overcoming Team Pacquiao's objections to USADA, which Arum branded as "not neutral" in this matter.

"No other organization in the US does the type of gold standard testing that that we do. Personally, at least, I've never heard of any third party organization that performs the WADA approved standards to the same degree that we do," Skinner said.

Obviously, the two camps could make an agreement as to a different testing agency if they chose to do so.

With a bonanza fight in which it is speculated that both Mayweather and Pacquiao can gross up to $50 million, you would think that there is some middle ground that the two fighter's camps can reach here.

Does anyone think that Joe Fan really gives a hoot as which anti-doping agency does the testing as long it is all done fair and impartially?

Has Arum moved the ball forward here or is this going to further block the so-called "Dream Fight."

It could turn out to be that in the ring and in the final money count but with constantly failed and stalled negotiations it continues to be a nightmare to make.

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Now even the anti doping agency is making emmanuel look stupid.

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USDA has called Manny bluff and maybe lies. I think its more Bob Arum but there both in on it.

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Floyd's move...he needs to come out and say USADA or no fight to Pac and Arum. Of course, Floyd would put himself in a corner if he does that because I believe Pac/Arum would accept it.
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No they wouldn't. That's why Arum has come out with this bull****. You make it out like Mayweather really doesn't want the fight and Pac wants it badly. If that's true, I'm confused why team Pac keeps contradicting themselves and comng with ridiculous excuses as to why they won't comply with the request. Why didn't they just accept the requests years ago? If Floyd didn't really want to fight, he would back out and Pac would come out smelling like roses. If Floyd did accept, he would probably lose as it would be a fight he didn't want because he didn't believe he could win. I don't see how a non confident fighter can beat Pac.

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I don't get it. Is Arum worried that USADA is going to fake results or what?

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McManama said: ↑

Hey --- Just answer one question .... if Mayweather declines to use the WADA for full random blood and urine testing, then what? Would you side with Mayweather and say that Pac should have used the USADA? I do believe for the last 2 years I have heard *****s say that there needs to be olympic style random testing.... will you change your rhetoric to include the USADA?
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I don't give a damn who test, as long as the fight gets made. If Pac fully agrees with no cut off, and Floyd says no then I will be the first to say he's ducking.

Now here's one for you. If Floyd agrees to use WADA, but Manny still wants cutoff, then what?

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Hey --- Just answer one question .... if Mayweather declines to use the WADA for full random blood and urine testing, then what? Would you side with Mayweather and say that Pac should have used the USADA? I do believe for the last 2 years I have heard *****s say that there needs to be olympic style random testing.... will you change your rhetoric to include the USADA?
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WADA doesn't conduct any drug testing, they just set the guidelines. How can I expect Maywether to accept using an agency to conduct the tests, when that agency doesn't actually conduct any tests? That's like Mayweather saying he would agree Pac's weight penalty demand only if he could pay in IMF currency. If Arum can secure a reliable agency that actually does conduct random blood and urine testing, that's fine. However, he's talking about using an organization that doesn't conduct any testing.

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i always question arum's motives :roll:

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I don't get it. Is Arum worried that USADA is going to fake results or what?
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It's either that, or he's worried that they will REALLY get it right.

I understand how people have different opinions, but my opinion is that for anybody to claim the fookin' USADA is "not neutral" blows my ****in' mind.

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NOW it makes sense! Of course Bob will accept the OSDT if conducted by WADA, because WADA doesn't run that tests :verysad

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Here we go.

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Clearly they still don't want the ****ing fight. Throwing one last spanner in the works hoping it ****s the fight up while making it look like it wasn't there fault as if they agreed to everything.

Arum and pacquiao don't want this fight.

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