The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

My thoughts also. Pac has been living off of those great small weight wins. Everything from Diaz on up has in some way been against compromised fighters. Obviously his way of fighting has always added to greatness, but I want to see those skills against opponents that are even and then see what happens.

 

Really?! Have you compared their physical stats? They are almost identical. Besides, Pac was fighting guys at 130 and coming into the ring at 144. I have never seen the "bigger" man Floyd put on 14 lbs in any division he has fought in. I guess Pac just like to beat up on smaller guys, eh?!atsch

 

So PW is really the size of a HW since his frame is big enough to carry the weight? Seems you need to learn about human physiology before you make blanket ASSumptions like you are with the whole frame issue.

 

Fighting to eat, but lost his belt on the scales because he couldn't make weight Has since the EM loss fought multiple opponents at catchweights HE demanded, yet wouldn't give EM a catch weight fight even after they said EM was killing himself to make weight and had just lost to Raheem.

Turbo, perhaps a variable to consider would be how many times they fought opponents coming off losses/wins

 

The fact that you can let a tongue-in-cheek avatar kick sand in your vagina so easily, speaks volumes.

Yes, go ahead, drum up all of the positives for that win over a past-prime, taking-the-fight-on-short-notice, weight-drained fighter that would go on to lose his remaining fights before retirement.....whilst ignoring the positives surrounding Pac's win, which include:

• A career featherweight being matched against a welterweight.
• Only one fight prior, Pac's chances against that same welterweight were being laughed off.
• A catchweight of some sort being a given -- by the fans and the parties involved -- before the fight even came to fruition.
• The catchweight of 145 not being a controversial issue before the fight for anyone - including the fans and Cotto's team themselves.
• The catchweight of 145 also not being a controversial issue immediately after the fight - including the fans and Cotto's team themselves.

Go ahead, ignore all of that.

Because like I said, a Calzaghe dick-riding fan-boy like yourself, shouldn't be lecturing anyone about objectivity. :hi:

I am not denying Cotto looked good against Floyd. Nor am I denying he looked poor against Clottey. However, I am not going to believe that by beating a one-legged Foreman, a shot-to-**** Mayorga, and a one-eyed Marg that wasn't even fit to be in a ring, made Cotto all of a sudden the best he's ever been since 2008. That's just outright ******ed. Against Floyd, he was without doubt better prepared tactically and more confident mentally, but those two things alone didn't make him the best he's been. Since the Marg defeat, his punch-resistence has deteriorated (worsened more since Pac) and his sharpness and handspeed hasn't re-surfaced since his welterweight days, either. Part of the reason why he looked more impressive against Floyd than he did Pac, was because he was much better suited to Floyd's style. He'll always have easier time when forcing a boxer into a brawl, as opposed to brawling with a better brawler who represents all of the things he's always hated -- aggression, power and volume. Simple assumptions like "Duhhhh, Cotto looked good vs Floyd, but very very bad vs Pac, so errrr, that mean Cotto vs Floyd better :nut", don't cut it in this case.

Oh, and...

Correction - stupid people only resort to violence. Especially when they can't engage in a grown-up discussion.

(*****)

:good

 

Now he would have to fight a SMW in order to even be mentioned in the same breath as Pac? Can you tell me the greatest weight disparity that the great SRR ever fought an opponent at and then tell me why Floyd would need to almost double that in order to gain any respect. atsch

 

Ok, I'll give you the Corrales excuse, though he would have got punished regardless of weight. (RIP Chico)

JMM didnt look bloated at all. Floyd beat him for 12 rds with skill not a size advatntage. JMM landed 12% of his shots, hard to blame that on size. Plus he was almost 3 years older when he fought Pac at the same weight but yet gave him a harder fight than their previous 2.

Overtrained? Lets see the Berto fight was cancelled in January. He and Money fought in May. You really think that Mosely continued to train with the same intensity from Jan to May?

First off Ricky actually weighed more than Floyd fight night, it was his second fight at 147 and Floyd just 6 months earlier had moved up to 154 (though he weighed 150bs) to fight ODLH. he was the P4P #1, if Ricky woanted to fight him meet him at his weight (which Ricky had no issue with, he didnt ask for a catcweight). You think Floyd would go from weighing in 1t 150 all the way down to 140 in the same year? Argument null and void!

Lets see when Pac faced Cotto, Miguel was :
- 145 lbs (yet they fought for the 147 belt, :-(). And if it was only 1 lb below his previous fight with Clottey, why make him lose that 1lb?:blood
- Coming off a VERY TOUGH fight with Clottey, in which he suffered a major cut above the eye in July 09, yet Pac faces less than 6 months later (but later says he couldnt fight Floyd less than 6 months b/c of a lesser cut which actaully stopped bleeding during the fight, against JMM)
- 2 fights removed from a possible physical cheating as well as a pyschological beating against A. Margarito.
- Not only with a choildhood friend who never trained a major fight before in his life, but was also removed from his longtime trainer and uncle.

When May faced cotto, Miguel was:
- Coming off 3 consecutive stoppages (Foreman, Mayorga and Margarito)
- Gained his confidence (at least pyschologically) by beating Margarito in rematch
- Weighed in at a comfortable 154lbs
- Had 2 fights with Emanuel Stewart (possibly the best traner ever) and 1 fight with the great cuban trainer of the Cuban Olympic Boxing team
- Not to mention, wsa offered his highest payday with Floyd after being asked again to come down in weight (this time back down 7lbs to 147lbs!) for a rematch with Pac.

Yep, Floyd fought the same Cotto ... smh

No comment on the Judah fight, but he did go onto shut Baldimor out right after this fight with Judah.

Yes Pac has a great lower weight legacy but Floyd's is just as good, IMO.

 

How did he miss weight being malnourished?! atsch

 

sorry mate, i missed this.

 

My man, thanks for taking the time to reply, but it wasn't necessary. I don't believe any of those points I've just made. I've actually said they're ridiculous. I only wrote them to illustrate the point that you can try and pick holes (and exaggerate them) in anyone's resume.

And please, don't "give me" the Corrales excuse. I don't want it. I agree, Floyd would have beat him like that regardless.

 

On the common victories there are arguments on both sides - Pac was more dominant against Oscar, Pac knocked down Mosely, Oscar was older and drained when he fought Pac, Mosely was older and Floyd dominated Mosley albeit in a different way than Pac. So cancel out the common wins and what do you have.

Floyd completely dominated JMM (a f'ing tune up fight) who Pac had a draw and at best three hard fought victories (at worst JMM was robbed). Then Floyd has Hernandez, Corrales and Castillo (x2) and has inarguably dominated nearly every round of every fight.

Pac has Morales, Margo and Barrera with losses to Morales, Bradley another draw and two other ko losses. Pac has been dominant in many fights.

Given that, is it close?

 

It's funny how people still act Manny to some degree isn't a fraud. Every notable win was either against an old guy, robbery, or some weight stipulation was implemented and after an opponent looked like ****. JMM proved Manny has not evolved or improved how people have said. Manny is complemented with smoke and mirrors and no one can deny that.

 

Point taking.

My apologies for reponding. I take this boxing s--t serious, lol!

 

Lol Cool :good

 

Floyd has fought most of the opponents pac has fought and first. Only fighters floyd never fought was Bradley who pac lost to, Margo who hasn't done **** once he was found out to be a cheater, and Clottey who was never that good. I doubt floyd would have been able to sell a fight against Clottey because Clottey can never seem to beat the elite and everyone knows this.