The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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Another troll exposed. It's like watching a ******* go back and revise their idiot posts.

 

Marquez could have been 20 pounds heavier, it wasn't functional size. He didn't have the frame, nor the height, nor the reach.

Cotto, Corely, Judah, Augustus, Hatton, Castillo (even the rematch), Ortiz (inside of 4 rounds), De La Hoya.

What do they have in common? Two things: they were all less skilled than Juan Manuel Marquez, and they all did better against Mayweather than Juan Manuel Marquez. Skill cannot be the determinative factor. I give Floyd credit for using his skill and stylistic strengths, but having those advantages against a much naturally smaller man do take away from it.

His performances somewhat justify and redeem his picks. In the grand scheme of things beating Mosley at that stage and JMM at his first fight at welter weren't great wins, but his performances were great performances. The wins might have been replicated by a host of fighters, but the performances likely couldn't.

 

- Explain to me please how Maquez weighing in on welterweight and Floyd weighing in on welterweight on Fight night would have changed the outcome, naturally? Marquez cut MUCH more to fight Pac than floyd ever did to fight Castillo.


- Saying one isn't more skilled than the other is crazy talk. Marquez and Floyd competed only 4 lbs from eachother on the same card, in world title bouts. Oscar has a better jab than Marquez, and a better chin than Marquez, he was able to reach Floyd on occasion because he didn't have to fear any ammo coming back.

-Because Floyd used superior footwork and a longer jab doesn't mean size ruled. we'd be saying the same for Norwood because it was his defense and style that caused the problems.

 

:roflatsch and guess what? Who was Shane's next fight

he should be embarrassed

 

Not embarrassed if you only pay attention to Kenny one day and not the other

 

Castillo hit him with a few body shots, wow

Mayweather hit him in the face.

judges got it right, move on

 

the bigger question is WHY DO PAC-HATERS DISCREDIT MANNY'S WINS EVERYTIME?

 

- I'm not sure what you're arguing about weighing in at welter. Floyd simply wears more weight better. People are assuming Marquez can just stroll in without having to cut weight and he'll be fine and dandy. But his frame is naturally much smaller, so when going up against someone who can punch at welter and possibly bully him around, he logically chose to build, and it hurt him. I don't think the fight would have looked much different, but if Floyd were forced to shed those last two pounds, it at least would have been more fair to Marquez. This is the wrong era to match them up H2H anyway. We've had that discussion before.

-IMO Floyd is more skilled and Marquez has a sightly higher ring IQ. But that's irrelevant. My argument is that skill is not the sole determining factor. Mayweather's style and his advantages in size and length greatly contributed. Again, Cotto, Corely, Jesus Chavez, Augustus, De La Hoya, Hatton, Judah, Ortiz-all less skilled than Marquez, and they were able to have more offensive success. It definitely allowed Mayweather to dominate the way he did, but that kind of dominance was not at all indicative of a their comparison in skill level.

-IMO Marquez is the better defensive ring general, but Floyd's defensive footwork is much better than Marquez's ability to cut off a ring and apply pressure on the front foot. There's clearly a style advantage for Floyd, I'm not disputing that. The fight might look different at another time but I'm not going to argue people who pick Floyd at any weight.

 

YUp

 

Bogo making sense again.

 

It's ****ing obvious Marquez was struggling with the weight. It's also obvious that May had all the physical advantages. Not sure what the argument is. Great points once again. Bogo, one of the few cats that have common sense.

 

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His win over Hatton too. I bet there the same people saying that Bradley is a more deserving oppoent than Guerrero is for Mayweather this coming May.
Like Hatton, Bradley was the top man at 140. Like Hatton, Bradley did not look Great in wining a championship at 147.

 

Mayweather aka the GOAT is never wrong.

 

He's not getting in.