The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Its been dealt with from the very beggining before they even stepped foot in a ring with eachother.
Just about every Marquez fan to a man in this forum gave Marquez little chance simply because Marquez was moving up two weight divisions and Mayweather had every single physical advantage plus age on his side.
Its that simple, now you deal with that! :deal

I'd favor Floyd Mayweather Jr. to beat Roy Jones Jr. in a prime for prime and p4p matchup.

But put this current 35 year old welterweight Mayweather and move him up the same ammount of weight classes Marquez moved up (2) and have Mayweather fight Roy Jones Jr. at the end of his Middleweight reign, and what do you have my friend???????


What we have is Roy Jones Jr. the bigger, quicker, faster fighter dominating the aging welterweight moving up two, count them two ****ing weight classes!!! deal


Use your brains people. A younger bigger Roy Jones dominating an aging, smaller Mayweather Jr. does'nt prove he was p4p the better fighter. :nut

Quick, fast, and defensive is kryptonite for a small aging fighter moving up to face a younger, bigger, and physically all around superior fighter.
Thats what Marquez faced in Mayweather and what this current version would have faced if middleweight prime Roy Jones was around in the landscape. :bbb

 

Who's the better fighter, Samuel Peter or James Toney???

Now you deal with that! :yep

 

The part you continue to ignore is that the general consensus that Mayweather is the superior fighter to Marquez is NOT based on this fight. That belief existed long before they got into the ring together.

Mayweather, any optimal career weighht you want to choose for him to fight Marquez at, would STILL be 'kryptonite' for Marquez because he has always been 'Quick, fast, and defensive'. Mayweather would STILL be the 'physically all around superior fighter' (even more so at the lesser weights).

The Peter-Toney analogy doesn't work here either. Marquez wasn't missing punches or unable to get off offensively because Mayweather kept him at the end of a jab. Marquez STILL couldn't hit Mayweather when Mayweather went into a defensive posture NOR could he properly time Floyd when Mayweather initiated offense.

You've seen the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK9en6g9JTQ

Mayweather was both superior physically and skillswise. Always has been. Deal with it.

 

I wish we could limit how often MVC can make threads

 

That may be the opinion of many, but many today point to the Mayweather-Marquez fight as proof that Mayweather is more skilled.
Thats my point I say is erroneous. Physical attributes of a fighter contribute to one outdoing the other. Skill plays a part but its not always skill that beats another fighter.
My Peter-Toney fight analogy is a prime example. The much more skilled Toney was outdone by the bigger stronger Peter simply by Peter adapting the right gameplan to cope with Toney's weaknesses due to age and size difference.

Mayweather used his size and reach advantage to keep at long distance.
Strenghth and power come into play as well as the smaller Marquez did'nt have the strenghth or power to bully Mayweather on the inside.
When Marquez made his way to the inside, Mayweather being the bigger, stronger fighter simply held, and leaned on Marquez pushing his head down with his arms and elbows.
Nothing a smaller and physically inferior fighter can do to combat tactics like that when physically he's overwhelmed in every department.

Being physically overwhelmed has nothing to do with boxing skill. Just watch Samuel Peter pump the jab on Toney's face and use his size and strenghth to nullify any advance made on him by the much better skilled James Toney!

Without size, strenghth, and youth, James Toney skill would have allowed him to put a beatdown on Samuel Peter, the inferior fighter.

Let the roles be reversed and have a 36 year old Mayweather moving up two weight divsions face a 31or 32 year old Marquez with Marquez simply just being the bigger, stronger fighter in his natural weight class, and what you'll get is Marquez propinating Mayweather a beatdown of epic proportions!

 

Who's worse & more delusional?

 

More delusional?? The Rigonwho and Mayweather diehards. One fanbase claims the top dawg in the division is ducking a little man with 11 pro fights lol and the other just yell out "hashtag the money team" whenever they're presented with a smart argument.

 

Most of Pacquio's diehards have commited suicide since last December, which means we'll have to deal with Nonito's for now.

So ill vote for Nonito's.

 

How do they rank vs Pacquiao and Donaire diehards?

 

Lock them all up in a cell and let them battle it out to the death.


The rest of us Boxing fans win.

 

Mayweather/Broner diehards thread just started. Rigondeaux doesn't have enough fanfare as of now to have a nicknamed fanbase such as *******s etc.

 

Broner's fanbase is still like inside their caves sneaking out, they haven't made their mark yet. They're not sure if Adrien is one to go to battle for.

But the Mayweather fanbase (well the 4 fans he has on this site) are just out of their mind lol. They just paste an image of a TMT shirt on a thread and that's their argument. They have gotten more quiet because they have realized that Mayweathers ducking can't be defended anymore.

 

Then there will be more 1 million plus ppv's.

 

Kid Cubano is enough of a fanbase.