The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

mrjotatp4p,

Good post. You've made some good points, and I'll gladly debate with you, without trading insults.

The thing here, is that you make it sound as though Floyd just asked Manny to be tested.

But Floyd Snr labelled him as a cheater, and Floyd jumped on board and ran with it. Manny's name was dragged through the mud.

This is my honest take of the situation. I can assure you I'm not a *******, as I don't particularly like him, and the fight with Oscar and the 150 one with Marg made me sick.

I honestly believe that the reason for backtracking, was to not give into Floyd's demands after the way he'd been treated. I think somewhere down the line, Manny said "**** him! I'm not being dictated to by him."

So Manny came back with a counter offer, and also said that he'd be willing to take a test straight after the fight.

Floyd then said no to Manny's original counter offer, and then they went back and forth on the various cut off days.

Now if Manny was guilty, and he was taking things, then how would things have played out in camp?

In a 9 week camp, with a 21 day cut off, he couldn't have done anything for the first 6 weeks, if he could be randomly tested in that time frame.

If he was willing to be tested after the fight, then he couldn't have taken anything within the last week either.

So realistically, that means his window of opportunity would have been about 2- 2.5 weeks.

How would he have benefited by doing that?

What would have been the point in taking PEDS for 2 weeks out of a 9 week camp?

Look at it logically.

The only other thing to consider is, he was taking PEDS all year round, and they'd still have been in his system, even after having a 9 week break. That's a theory, but I don't really believe it.

That's why we need random all year round testing for every pro fighter.

You can look at things from different perspectives.

You can say Manny was at fault for the fight not taking place, because he didn't agree to Floyd's demands, or you could say, Floyd should never have demanded them in the first place. You could also say that Floyd could have accepted Manny's 24 day cut off proposal, but he didn't.

In the end, Manny finally gave into Floyd's demands, giving him what he'd wanted all along, and then what happened?

The fight still didn't take place. Instead of going all out to make the fight, Floyd demanded the entire PPV revenue, in what would have been the biggest grossing fight of all time. Those actions killed the fight from taking place.

He said he didn't want to give blood that close to the fight, but he'd be willing to take a test straight afterwards. He was also willing to take a urine test at any point.

 

only cause he got caught in a lie he had no choice but to move. *******s atsch

 

drug testing just wasn't an issue when he was 1st offered OSDT. No one was doing it. And Manny wasn't fussed about doing it.

I'm a big believer that the fight wouldn't have happned anyway because that 1st round was in 2008. They spent 4 years re negotiating, and Manny has been fine with drug testing in every other negotiations, but these idiots on both side kept finding more and more reasons why they can't fight.

 

manny's name wasn't dragged through the mud wow you sound like such a drama queened out little *****. why u repeating this same bull**** over and over again. creating fake reasons

 

In the Kenny interview he said he just doesn't want to doit on the day of the fight.

Kenny responded by saying, "Manny you have two whole weeks without testing."

Manny's response to that was, "thats too close to the fight."

 

so was lance armstrong

 

Wow!

You've swerved my questions again, what a surprise!

I don't think that he did NEED a cut off. Not to hide anything. I think it was done just to not give into Floyd's demands.

It doesn't make an ounce of sense that he needed it to hide anything.

Let's break it down and look at it logically.

Everyone has a side on here, and nobody has broken it down using logic.


If Manny needed a cut off to hide taking PEDS, then how would it have benefited him?


You can apply the following logic to any of the days mentioned.

Either 30 days, 24, days, 14 days, it makes no difference.

If Floyd had agreed to the 21 day cut off.


Manny would of had a 9 week camp.


Weeks 1-6 he couldn't have taken anything, because he'd have been randomly tested.

Weeks 6-9 he'd have been free to do as he pleases.

But he was willing to be tested straight after the fight.

Really that rules out taking anything in week 9. He'd have beeen taking a big risk by doing that.

So, he'd really only have been free to take things in weeks 6-8.

That would be his only clear window.

Just those 2 weeks.

Now again, what benefit would he have gained by taking PEDS for only 2 weeks in a 9 week period?

If it was a 14 day cut off, he'd only have had a 1 week window.

Again, you can apply the same logic to any number.


So it's over to you.

Tell me in your honest opinion, what benefits he would have gained?

 

You haven't countered anything that I've said.

 

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Ash, you bore me, because I'm not able to have an intelligent debate with you.

Why don't you try and give an honest answer to post 265.

I'm serious. Read post 265, and come back to me with an intelligent response.

If you want a proper debate I'll oblige you.

If his name hadn't been dragged through the mud, and it hadn't gotten to him, then why did he sue for defamation of character??

 

off the juice now

 

Can anyone actually answer the question

 

mannys team had so many excuses for needing cutoffs i actually lost track so youd have to ask manny

 

So no one can actually answer the OP's question?

Here are the reasons Manny was unable to have Blood Drawn:

Having Blood drawn weakens him
Floyd was bigger than Manny
The commission can't do it
Nurses poke your arms too much, not allowing for training
Superstition

Which one do you go with?

 

Hiya pal,

I'm going with, he did it to not give into Floyd's demands, and to give him power in negotiations.

That's my honest opinion.

In a 9 week camp, with a 21 day cut off, he realistically could only have juiced for 2 weeks.

What would have been the point?

If it was a 14 day cut off, he could realistically have only juiced for 1 week.

Again, what would have been the point?

How could he have benefited by juicing for either 1 week, or 2 weeks in a 9 week period?

It doesn't make sense.

We know that Manny backed down and gave into Floyd in the end, and we also know that the fight still never got made.