The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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Yep, Hoya looked well different alright. Plodded forward, same speed, difference is their opponent. Pac was moving creating angles, Floyd stood still trying to slip allowing Oscar to get off.

 

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truth

 

if you really cant see the difference between the two Oscar's they fought. EVEN WITH VIDEO ITS CLEAR, then just end this conversation.

THeres a difference between being blind, and not wanting to see.

 

Yes, PAC would be undefeated

 

JMM was LW who was drinking urine to fight Floyd and got fat going up to 144, only for Floyd to still go over the limit despite AGREEING to the weight and being a SMALL WW. And *****'s still make out like it was a big deal for Pac to ask for 1mil for every lb over in their negotiations.

 

Anyway Pacquiao wouldn't be the greatest fighter of this era earning Fighter Of The Decade if he was to fight all the peps on Floyd resume. There's a reason why Floyd is crying that he didn't get the honor for fighting all the peps on his resume.

 

Dude, Oscar was slow as hell in the Pac fight. He looked skinny and unfed. He didnt even rehydrate well. He had no movement at all.

Oscar looked fast against Floyd. Because you know.. that was his normal weight.

 

It was a big deal because there was no catchweight. The fight was at 147. I get why Floyd came in over weight. Why? Because he doesnt cut water weight, so for every pound he loses he has to actually lose it. Not with water, but with muscle.

Pac has some nerve man. What the hell do you need catchweights for anyway. Hes been coming in as a Welter since he was fighting at 135. People try to make it seem like hes some little guy. Hes small, but not that small.

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He wants money for every lb over. but Floyd just fought at Jr Middle against Canelo and came in at 150 on fight night. Pacquiao fought at 135 against Diaz and came in at 147. His logic doesnt make sense. Pacquiao fans logic doesnt make sense .

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Care to explain how Judah beating Pac is a "fact" and not an opinion.

 

Wow ok, I guess cos you said it that must be the only way to see the situations. How about this:

Hoya was coming off a KO win over Mayorga, but Mayorga is a punching bag and ODLH has one of the most vicious left hooks of all time. Simple logic says, ODLH KO's Mayorga at ANY point, at ANY weight in their career, so the fact that he was coming off that win is no indication of him being prime. On the other hand, ODLH was fighting Pac at his prime weight of WW, and was coming off a win over slick, fast Steve Forbes at 150. Wooo, at different view on things.

Mosley coming off a win. Wow, I guess its a big difference now if Manchester Utd is coming off a win, vs coming off a loss. No difference, coming off a win or loss, you dont lose skill from a result, you're the same fighter. Decline does not happen overnight from a result, its a gradual process, that means Mosley was either past it in both fights as he has been declining for the last decade, or he still had it. Either way, not much in it as the time gap between the fights wasn't big enough and as I said, decline is a gradual process. The exception to this is if the fighter took a career ending beating in that ONE previous fight, which Mosley didn't. Margarito had just been caught with loaded gloves, Mosley was loading up his punches on a punching bag. Mosley would have stopped Margarito pre Floyd and post Pac, there's no magic timeframe there.

You're quick to point out the situations of other fighters and why it was tougher for Floyd and easier for Pac, but yet completely disregards the overall circumstances in the difference between JMM-Floyd and JMM-Pac. Here I'll spell it out:

Floyd-JMM: JMM had 0 fights at JWW. 0 fights at WW. Jumping up 9lbs to 144lbs. Got cheated on the scales for another 2lbs. Was drinking urine for PED's.

Pac-JMM 4: JMM 1 fight at JWW. 2 fights at WW. Jumping up 7lbs to 147. NOT cheated on scales. Was drinking no.1 PED suppliers vitamins Heredia, same guy who supplies Usain Bolt.

Pac JMM 3 was similar situation as above, except only 1 fight at 140, still with Heredia.

Cotto I wont even go into that, even Roach, who now trains Cotto, wants Cotto back at 147 as its his best weight. Only reason Cotto moved to 154 is because he got beat up there by Pac and Margarito at 147, so the easier comp was at 154.

 

Its not, but I have facts to SUPPORT my opinion.

The fact that Pacquiao has never fought a fighter with both hand speed and punching power.
The fact that Judah would have the reach advantage
The fact that Pacquiao's chin has been exposed on numerous occasions by fighters with less power then Judah
The fact that Pacquiao struggles against Counter punchers.

Pacquiao fans just do this . Literally

":rofl:rofl Judah Beet Pac? Thaz cray-c. Pac de God, Ov Awl thengs. Pac strng liek God. Pac deztroi Judah eazy wuk"

No facts, no details, they just say **** like that. Its hilarious.

 

I'm off so can't be arsed with rest of this thread but just gonna point out how stupid that statement is.

You do realise, in your limited boxing knowledge that 126lb doesn't mean fighters actually come into the ring 126lb right? When Pac fought at 130, he was coming in at 143 but so were his opponents, JMM, MAB, Morales etc. Likewise, guys who are fighting at 147 arent coming into the ring at 147, just look at Margarito, Clottey, guys Pac fought at 147, they came in 155+.

Use your head.

 

I don't see Judah beating Pac. He doesn't like pressure, and when fighters force him backwards he tends to fall apart. Pac would be coming forward all night, and Judah isn't composed and skilled enough to neutralise him for a full fight. He might cause Pac a few issues in the early rounds, when he's dangerous, but he would start to fold after some hard left hands hit him, and then he'd just try to retreat, and he would stop punching as much. His best chance would come early, where he could try and counter Pac as Pac comes in, but I don't think he'd be able to hurt him enough to stop him. Pac would break him down using his quick combinations and aggressiveness.

 

LMAO YO ARE YOU FOREAL? Oscar hadnt fought at 147 in like 8 years. Since Gatti I think. I cant with you man, just stop. You dont even know what you're talking about. It's his prime weight? That was YEARS ago. Go make a 35 year old Pacquiao fight at 135 against one of the lions there. At a catchweight. Go make him fight Broner at 135 since thats his "prime weight" and we'll see how that works out.

Cotto got cheated by Margarito, and at an unnecessary catchweight with Pac.

Pac could have fought him at 147 with no problem, but he wanted an advantage against a guy who wasnt even that much bigger than him at the time. Just stop. Cotto had lost his father and was going thru trainers when he fought Pac.

Whats your excuse for Pac declining to fight Cotto at 154? Im dying to hear this. Cotto said that Pac had to come to 154 for a rematch. Why didnt he fight him there is my question.

 

Its not stupid, my point is Whats wrong with Pacquiao giving up weight? Why is that so taboo to him? Why does he have to drain fighters in order to win? You just said that Cotto's best weight is 147. That would mean you believe that Cotto is a small Jr Middle. That would mean that he would make an average sized Welterweight. That would mean that a catchweight for Pacquiao-Cotto WAS NEVER NEEDED. THAT WOULD MEAN THAT PACQUIAO SHOULD BE WILLING TO FIGHT HIM AT 154.

If you are small in any weight class, all that means is that you can make the weight without killing yourself by draining water weight. Pac should have been willing to fight Cotto at 147. Or at 154.