The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

For the same reason Jack Johnson made millions when he fought in the 20s. America is a racist society and non-melanin people will pay good money hoping to see the melanin man lose.
The same was true for Ali.

I remember watching an Ali fight, I forget who the opponent he was fighting that night. I remember when the fight was over and Ali had won, the announcer went around the crowd asking people in the audience what they thought about the fight.
It just happened that an 80 something year old wrinkled up white woman was in the audience and the announcer was fortunate enough to approach her and ask her why she attended the fight.
Was she a fan of Ali's?
The old lady grimaced angry at him narrowing her eyes and answered that she was no fan of the n*gg*r's, and that she came to all of his fights because she didn't want to miss the day that he got his uppity black ass whipped.

LOL, Some things in the world never change. Floyd probably makes good money from people with the same mentality. What ever puts asses in the seats, I guess, Mayweather thanks you whatever your reasons for filling his pockets.

 

Just stop. The latter half of Hops career is far more impressive than the wasted first half fighting no hopers or little guys, while unwillingly moving up to seek challenges. Besides, it's still not equivalent to what Floyd did. Floyd moved up through the ranks fighting at his natural weight and not cutting weight so he could fight at a lower division.

 

I disagree with all of that. If anything, there are fewer establishments buying PPVs. There's a reason people are lamenting the demise of boxing, there's a reason everybody was in a panic that UFC was taking over. There's a reason ABC stopped airing boxing. The pool has actually shrunk, not expanded. Boxing today is far more niche than it was during Oscar's heyday, which coincided with the second golden era of heavyweights. There were more household names among boxers in the 80s, and 90s than in the 00s or 10s. And there was no UFC to compete with.

Boxing is globally more popular now in places like Eastern Europe and the Asia, but that doesn't translate into more PPV buys, which are only counted in the US.

How do we know this? Because minus Floyd and Manny, PPV buys are actually significantly LOWER than they were in the 1990s (and that's even excluding heavyweights). If your argument were correct, we would see PPV spikes across the board. We do not.

In other words, Floyd is not only doing more, he's doing more with less.

If things are different at all between Oscar's era and Floyd's era, it actually favors Oscar, not Floyd. In the 2000s, the post-Tyson boxing audiences retreated to their bases and they've stayed there ever since. That Floyd, who doesn't represent any of the boxing fanbases, could enjoy more success than Oscar is pretty remarkable.

 

So what if the decision is debatable, he lost. Then he fought Cotto, then he got caught cheating against Mosley and GOT KNOCKED OUT.

Floyd didn't retire to avoid Margarito fool, Margarito's only good win in his entire career was vs Cotto, while Mayweather was retired. He defended his title and was knocked out while Floyd was retired. In what world does losing to Paul Williams and beating Golden Johnson earn you a MAYWEATHER FIGHT?

 

How many buys do they do without Mayweather/Guerrero?

 

But they both lost and neither has equaled or will equal those buys ever. Mayweather did it twice and won, the each did it once and lost.

#Mayweather:deal

 

:good

 

You're right - it was actually Whitaker who served as the catalyst, not Chavez. Pre-Whitaker, Oscar was only averaging 300,000 buys. The Whitaker fight did 700,000, and it led to a permanent bump in Oscar's average to about 500,000. Trinidad created another permanent bump.

Either way, if you look at the numbers, the only time Oscar ever does good PPV numbers is if he's fighting a solid opponent. Between Vargas and Shane II (both of which did 900k buys), was Yuri Boy Campas, which was a relative bomb at 350,000 buys.

I would argue that Guerrero was actually less popular than Yuri Boy.

In other words, whether it's Oscar or Floyd - people buy matchups as much as they buy the fighter himself. Floyd would have been a star with or without Oscar because he knows how to pick the right matchups, much like Oscar did before him.

I don't even know why we're arguing whether Floyd owes his success to Oscar, since that wasn't the thread question. Jordan owes his popularity to Magic and Bird making the NBA mainstream; it doesn't mean he's less of a draw than they are because of it.

 

Nope Bhop is better p4p end of discussion black and white. The only prime AND legit opponent floyd fought is marquez - tailor made and undersized. Bhop win over Trinidad is much higher level than anything floyd accomplished.

Mayweather has not fought a top-level opponent in their prime other than Marquez - which was an undersized man and a perfect matchup stylistically for Floyd. Mayweather is definitely not a top 35 p4p fighter all time.

With the exception of Marquez, literally all of Floyd's wins come against the following 1) paper champions (Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Ortiz, Castillo)
2) washed up fighters past their best (Oscar - who isn't any good in his prime in the first place, Cotto, Mosley)
3) padded record fighters with hype jobs by the media with no actual substance (Hatton, Canelo, Corrals)
4) overrated people on the p4p rankings (Corrales, Canelo, Hatton)
5) Bums in general (Canelo, Ortiz, Guerrero, Corrales, Baldomir, Mitchell, Ndou, , Hatton, Pep, Juuko, Gerena, Vargas, Corley, Bruseles, Chavez, Sosa, Hernandez)

Don't be fooled by the hype and padded 45-0 record it's not what it's made out to be.

 

What is Canelos highest PPV other than vs Mayweather?

Mayweather already broke 2 million 7 years before he fought Canelo. Also Mayweather has sold a million +ppv since 2006. Other than vs Mayweather when has Canelo broke a million PPV?

 

Canelo is only 23 years oldatsch How many million+ PPV's had FLoyd accomplished at the same age:think

 

^^^this guy knows his stuff.

 

So will Canelo break a million vs Angulo?

Floyd has broke a million since 2006

 

oh, and i should add that DLH/Campas, the aforementioned bomb, was between two Mexicans ON CINCO DE MAYO....

WITH ERIK MORALES ON THE UNDERCARD

 

if he had knockout power then his style would have likely never changed to much from the days when he did have power.. but the thought of a defensive wizard like a floyd with power is pretty scary.. youd go as far to say he has all the attributes a perfect fighter can have?

speed
power (if he had it)
huge ring IQ
one of the best defenses of all time
heart - we have seen him take big shots and stay focused

even though he does not have huge power i still think he should try and finish some of his opponents in the mid to late rounds after he has them in survival mode, but he rarely does